C4S vs. E55
#241
Blakt out: at what speeds?
We went out to play last week:
E55, 996TT stage 4, 996TT mine, GT2 S/G 650+, 2007 Z06, SuperCharged Viper.
E55 from 40-90 is dead even (or damn close drivers/gear/rpm race with the new Z06!
I watched this same E55 (stock 100%) run a 12.2 quarter mile.
This is a wonderful, comfortable, FAST sedan.
Blakt Out, forget it, I just noticed your car is S/C so it makes sense to me
that the E55 is similar from a roll.
The other guy with the C4S is in La-La land...
MK
We went out to play last week:
E55, 996TT stage 4, 996TT mine, GT2 S/G 650+, 2007 Z06, SuperCharged Viper.
E55 from 40-90 is dead even (or damn close drivers/gear/rpm race with the new Z06!
I watched this same E55 (stock 100%) run a 12.2 quarter mile.
This is a wonderful, comfortable, FAST sedan.
Blakt Out, forget it, I just noticed your car is S/C so it makes sense to me
that the E55 is similar from a roll.
The other guy with the C4S is in La-La land...
MK
#242
i had no idea the E55 is that fast - thought a Z06 would take it down at any speeds - one thing it never feels short of power, is your Z stock as well?
#243
My Z is bone stock. From a roll with traction out of the equation - the Z is quicker from all speeds. The slower the start - the closer the E is able to stay. At higher speeds the Z pulls pretty hard on the E. The E has tons of torque and it shows briefly at the beginning of each roll on. If I was to race it in a 1/4 mile from a dig - it would be a close race. I have to have a new perfect launch out of the hole. He can run consistent 12.2 times. I have not run very many quarters and do not have the launch down on my car yet. I can run anywhere from an 12.1 to a 12.6 quarter depending on the launch. I do know of stock Z's running as low as 11.15 in the quarter. They are the exception to the rule and they put a lot of passes on their cars to get to that number.
#244
And as a comparison, there are quite a few Z06s (new ones) that I run with on my track days (which are pretty often). One place to really look is coming out of the Oak Tree at VIR, where you are in 2nd gear and hammer it out of a hairpen all the way up to around 157 (in my car). I've come out of there behind or in front of new Z06s so many, many laps... and I've never pulled on one, and I've never had one pull on me. One had Michellin Cups, another Hoosiers. One had a big wing, another stock body. One had intake and exhaust, another nothing. I know it doesn't make sense, but I haven't seen any difference. Three of their owners have come up to me and asked what I had, as they haven't even had new 997Turbos stick with them like that. I know the numbers manufacturers claim, and what magazines get from tests. I'm just reporting, as is the dude that started this thread, that which I experience. But so that there isn't any confusion any more, my car really is a street legal race car with a great suspension tune and probably around 450HP at the wheels.
Rock on.
Rock on.
#245
I'm not criticizing, just curious what other bolt-ons you have and where you got that estimate from. As I'm sure you know, beyond major mods like the S/C, most bolt-ons are often redundant and not cumulative gains. I'd like to see you throw it on a dyno, because that seems overly optimistic to me.
#247
this thread has gone quite a bit off topic now, were we discussing a c4s race form the beginning? hey dmoney, is it still going to happen?
#248
Where do you get the 450 number from? I don't see it from the mods you list, and don't say its the S/C. I wouldn't be surprised to see it add 100-125 crank hp (maybe a little more), but I have a relatively strong motor and I only put out 315-318 at the wheels. To say you're getting a gain of 125-150+ whp seems unlikely.
I'm not criticizing, just curious what other bolt-ons you have and where you got that estimate from. As I'm sure you know, beyond major mods like the S/C, most bolt-ons are often redundant and not cumulative gains. I'd like to see you throw it on a dyno, because that seems overly optimistic to me.
I'm not criticizing, just curious what other bolt-ons you have and where you got that estimate from. As I'm sure you know, beyond major mods like the S/C, most bolt-ons are often redundant and not cumulative gains. I'd like to see you throw it on a dyno, because that seems overly optimistic to me.
However, I hope you'll all permit me to answer gravedigger's question. I appreciate what you say, and fully agree. Check my signature though. I DO have the Evo Supercharger, the full Fabspeed exhaust and header setup, aggressive GIAC tuning, and the IPD plenum. I know that the HP numbers of mods don't actually add to each other, per se. The car should go on the dyno in the next month, but I've driven it like this (other than the plenum, which is more recent) for 20k miles and know an idea about what its power SHOULD be because of the relative speed to other cars which have better known power figures.
Hope this helps... and sorry for the diversion again.
#249
Where do you get the 450 number from? I don't see it from the mods you list, and don't say its the S/C. I wouldn't be surprised to see it add 100-125 crank hp (maybe a little more), but I have a relatively strong motor and I only put out 315-318 at the wheels. To say you're getting a gain of 125-150+ whp seems unlikely.
I'm not criticizing, just curious what other bolt-ons you have and where you got that estimate from. As I'm sure you know, beyond major mods like the S/C, most bolt-ons are often redundant and not cumulative gains. I'd like to see you throw it on a dyno, because that seems overly optimistic to me.
I'm not criticizing, just curious what other bolt-ons you have and where you got that estimate from. As I'm sure you know, beyond major mods like the S/C, most bolt-ons are often redundant and not cumulative gains. I'd like to see you throw it on a dyno, because that seems overly optimistic to me.
and what is wrong with having some fun?
#250
S65 is mine no longer. I have wheel remnants only...
Looking at my list, funny enough the Spur is gone too... I only have the top 4 vehicles now.
#251
Well...
You thought WRONG sucka!
Bring this thread back - Dmoney you racing Dick yet?
#254
Sorry for the derailment - my last comment outside the core topic.
#255
That, specifically, was the reason for my question. If you look at the Evo owners registry thread, you'll notice most dyno'd cars are making far LESS than 500. You say "a number of people" and of course 1 is "a number". I'm just curious as to the reality of typical s/c gains.
Sorry for the derailment - my last comment outside the core topic.
Sorry for the derailment - my last comment outside the core topic.
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ight=EVO+s%2Fc
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ight=EVO+s%2Fc
this is all I have time to find for ya. Talk to Alex (sharky) and get more info. 500 CRANK I have seen time and time again on an S model (on 997's) heck look at Deputy Dog.. his 996 is upwards of 475 on a 996
NOW WHERE IS DMONEY? ha