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Old 05-11-2008 | 02:58 PM
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Hello 6speed members,

My name is Danny Puskar and I am from Carbotech Performance Brakes. Carbotech has recently become a sponsor on 6speedonline.com. I have been a member and a fan of this forum for quite a while now, and would love nothing more than to support this forum when possible.


Also, there isn't a brake pad or brake shoe that Carbotech can't make. We can build any and all brake pads with your choice of our compounds that you need for your application.

If you’re not familiar with Carbotech then here is some information that separates us from everybody else. If you want more information then please visit our website at www.ctbrakes.com

Carbotech Performance Brakes™ began 15 years ago. In the beginning we thought like everybody else and made brake compounds out of carbon & iron. The problem with carbon & iron is that when it heats up it forms carbide. Carbide is used in cutting tools, so imagine what that does to your rotors.


Along with the fact that those compounds tear up rotors, they also produce very corrosive brake dust. While our competition stills uses carbon & iron as the main ingredients in their compounds, Carbotech™ started an entire new philosophy over seven years ago.

Carbotech Performance Brakes™, a world leader in Ceramic friction materials™. It was over seven years ago that Carbotech™ started building brake pads out of Ceramic, Kevlar, and Carbon for street, autocross and racing applications. Carbotech™ is the only brake pad manufacturer in the world with a complete line of Ceramic compounds for street, autocross, and track use.

Carbotech-Ceramic™ compounds are known for their unsurpassed release & modulation, while maintaining very consistent torque control characteristics. Carbotech™brake pads are extremely rotor friendly and contain 100% non-corrosive brake dust, that’s something that has been unmatched by any other brake pad in the industry.

Our competitor’s brake pads perform like an “on/off” switch. Brake pads that perform like an "on/off" switch are upsetting the balance of the car by violently throwing all that weight forward (not to mention that you don't get any modulation with an "on/off" type of brake pad). You don't realize how much it upsets your car until you have tried Carbotech™ brake pads.


Carbotech™ has a seven year head start on the competition when it comes to our great philosophy on modulation & release, rotor friendliness, non-corrosive dust, and an unmatched consistent bite/torque control.

Carbotech™ uses advanced friction technology to perfect all of our compounds for the street & track. Research & Development (R&D) is not just a company philosophy; it’s a way of life at Carbotech. We strive in constantly improving our existing compounds as new technologies and materials come to market.

Carbotech Performance Brakes™ allows drivers to Go Deep™ into the corners and out brake the competition. Carbotech™ has won multiple pro races, national championships, and rally races all over the world. Our high performance street compound is our 1521™. The next in our lineup is our Autocross compound, AX6™.


Our race compounds start with the letters "XP™" then they are followed by a number. The first number is 8 (XP8™, then XP10, XP12, and XP16), and as you go up in numbers the initial bite gets much stronger, higher fade resistance, higher torque, and an increase in the temperature range. On that same note, as you go up in our compound numbers you will get slightly faster wear rate on the pads and a little more aggressive on the rotors. That being said, even our more rotor aggressive compounds are still much more rotor friendly then our competitions compounds.




For more information please visit our website at ctbrakes.com or give us a call at 877-899-5024.






Thank You for your time,
 
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Old 05-11-2008 | 03:15 PM
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Thanks for sponsoring this forum.

I have 997C2S, that I use for street and track (DE), is there a pad that you recommend for this, or am I better to have two sets?
 
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Old 05-12-2008 | 02:30 PM
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Hey NorthVan997C2S,

You are always much better off with a set of street pads, and a set of track pads. For your street use I would recommend our 1521 compound.

For your track use I would recommend our XP10 or XP12 compounds. If your running high performance street tires then go with XP10, but if you have R compound tires then go with our XP12.

If you really want one pad for both, and you don't mind some noise on the street then our XP8 compound will work best for both. We have plenty of customers in the States and in Europe that love the XP8 compound for both street and track.

XP8 has great cold bite and it doesn't tear up rotors when cold or hot. XP8 will create about the same amount of dust as your OEM pads do, but the XP8 dust is 100% NON-Corrosive!
 
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Old 05-12-2008 | 02:48 PM
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Thanks Danny, I will check out your site later today.

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Danny,

On your site you list the 997 Carrera 2 and then a sub heading of Sport, am I correct thinking this is the 997S?
 
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How is the cold bite on the 1521 compound?
 
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Old 05-13-2008 | 02:09 PM
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Yes, that is correct, your 997 is the sport model.
 
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Originally Posted by mdrums
Danny, I have used Performance Friction PF97 and Pagid Yellow RS29 for my track pads on my 997S. I am going back to the Pagids. Do you have anything that compares with Pagid Yellow RS29? Pro's and Con's?

I did notice that the Perf. Friction PF97 have less pad contact area than the Padgid Yellow RS29...interesting huh?

mdrums,

Both PFC and Pagid have good compounds, and they both are good companies. Yes, we have comparable compounds to both the 97 and RS29. What are you using this vehicle for? Track and/or street? Do you run the same brake pads for both?

Honestly, as long as it's not 20%-25% more surface area it really doesn't matter. It's what the friction material is made out of that matters. You couldn't even tell if PFC made it the exact same way that Pagid does.

The way we all put our friction material on our pads can and does differ. What really matters is the material. If you want an answer to why that happens, then here it is.

A lot of brake pads are used on different vehicles and even different manufactures. But, not all use the same size rotors with those pads. So, PFC might be making that pad to fit all the different rotor sizes that pad goes with. You never want your material to hang off the rotor and create a lip. There is no performance disadvantage to this lip; it just makes a lot of noise.

Pagid might not even offer that pad on certain vehicles because they want to use more surface area, or they might not care if their material hangs over the rotor edge a little.

Another reason is that PFC might want that pad to fit with their own rotor which almost always has a bigger hat. PFC offers some OEM replacement rotors for various vehicles. PFC usually uses a bigger rotor hat for cooling purposes. So, they might be doing this with that specific pad so that it will fit and work with the OEM rotors and their replacement rotors.
 
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MJFDDS,

The Bobcat 1521 cold bite is very strong and consistent. The 1521 can take anything you throw at it on the street.
 
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MJFDDS,

The Bobcat 1521 cold bite is very strong and consistent. The 1521 can take anything you throw at it on the street.
Thanks! I am due for pads. I will give yours a try.

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Originally Posted by CarbotechDanny
Hello 6speed members,
My name is Danny Puskar and I am from Carbotech Performance Brakes. Carbotech has recently become a sponsor on 6speedonline.com. I have been a member and a fan of this forum for quite a while now, and would love nothing more than to support this forum when possible.
Also, there isn't a brake pad or brake shoe that Carbotech can't make. We can build any and all brake pads with your choice of our compounds that you need for your application.
If you’re not familiar with Carbotech then here is some information that separates us from everybody else. If you want more information then please visit our website at www.ctbrakes.com

Carbotech Performance Brakes™ began 15 years ago. In the beginning we thought like everybody else and made brake compounds out of carbon & iron. The problem with carbon & iron is that when it heats up it forms carbide. Carbide is used in cutting tools, so imagine what that does to your rotors.
Along with the fact that those compounds tear up rotors, they also produce very corrosive brake dust. While our competition stills uses carbon & iron as the main ingredients in their compounds, Carbotech™ started an entire new philosophy over seven years ago.
Carbotech Performance Brakes™, a world leader in Ceramic friction materials™. It was over seven years ago that Carbotech™ started building brake pads out of Ceramic, Kevlar, and Carbon for street, autocross and racing applications. Carbotech™ is the only brake pad manufacturer in the world with a complete line of Ceramic compounds for street, autocross, and track use.
Carbotech-Ceramic™ compounds are known for their unsurpassed release & modulation, while maintaining very consistent torque control characteristics. Carbotech™brake pads are extremely rotor friendly and contain 100% non-corrosive brake dust, that’s something that has been unmatched by any other brake pad in the industry.
Our competitor’s brake pads perform like an “on/off” switch. Brake pads that perform like an "on/off" switch are upsetting the balance of the car by violently throwing all that weight forward (not to mention that you don't get any modulation with an "on/off" type of brake pad). You don't realize how much it upsets your car until you have tried Carbotech™ brake pads.
Carbotech™ has a seven year head start on the competition when it comes to our great philosophy on modulation & release, rotor friendliness, non-corrosive dust, and an unmatched consistent bite/torque control.
Carbotech™ uses advanced friction technology to perfect all of our compounds for the street & track. Research & Development (R&D) is not just a company philosophy; it’s a way of life at Carbotech. We strive in constantly improving our existing compounds as new technologies and materials come to market.
Carbotech Performance Brakes™ allows drivers to Go Deep™ into the corners and out brake the competition. Carbotech™ has won multiple pro races, national championships, and rally races all over the world. Our high performance street compound is our 1521™. The next in our lineup is our Autocross compound, AX6™.
Our race compounds start with the letters "XP™" then they are followed by a number. The first number is 8 (XP8™, then XP10, XP12, and XP16), and as you go up in numbers the initial bite gets much stronger, higher fade resistance, higher torque, and an increase in the temperature range. On that same note, as you go up in our compound numbers you will get slightly faster wear rate on the pads and a little more aggressive on the rotors. That being said, even our more rotor aggressive compounds are still much more rotor friendly then our competitions compounds.
For more information please visit our website at ctbrakes.com or give us a call at 877-899-5024. Thank You for your time,
I can vouch for CarboTech.
Danny: Does Larry still work there?
I've been using Carbotech pads on my racecar for years and, way back when, Larry was the guy I called.
This is the racecar:
http://www.motorsportsimaging.com/SCCA%20Racing/MARRSI_04/gt/pages/MRRS01_04_0067.htm
Anyway, I won't use anything else--only Carbotech pads.
Mr. B
 
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How does dust level compare for your street pads vs oem?

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