997 S vs M3
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09-21-2008 | 11:00 AM
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997 S vs M3
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09-22-2008 | 07:46 PM
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without a doubt...the e92 m3 is still no match for the 2005-2008 997S on a track, and in terms of performance, its only faster in a straight line, and not nearly as much fun to drive.
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09-24-2008 | 04:26 AM
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do you guys find that race surprising?, "okay my flame suit is on", i'm about to go out on a limb and probably get totally criticized.
i have a 05 carrera S with headers, exhaust and sport cats, and a manual. i just recently raced my buddy with a 2007 bmw m5 with a 6-speed (non-smg) with pulley and k&n drop ins
we did a 20 mph roll up to about 130 mph and we were neck and neck, we did this about 3 times because to be honest i was in shock! normally a lot of the vids i have seen posted up on the net have been normally m5's and m6's racing porsche turbos guessing they tend to be a little more in the same league?
do you guys believe the 05-08 carrera S's? are not in the same league as the m5 and m6's, because to me and my personal experiences, M5 and M6's are very overrated?
just wanted your opinions?
-jason
i have a 05 carrera S with headers, exhaust and sport cats, and a manual. i just recently raced my buddy with a 2007 bmw m5 with a 6-speed (non-smg) with pulley and k&n drop ins
we did a 20 mph roll up to about 130 mph and we were neck and neck, we did this about 3 times because to be honest i was in shock! normally a lot of the vids i have seen posted up on the net have been normally m5's and m6's racing porsche turbos guessing they tend to be a little more in the same league?
do you guys believe the 05-08 carrera S's? are not in the same league as the m5 and m6's, because to me and my personal experiences, M5 and M6's are very overrated?
just wanted your opinions?
-jason
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09-25-2008 | 03:43 AM
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do you guys find that race surprising?, "okay my flame suit is on", i'm about to go out on a limb and probably get totally criticized.
i have a 05 carrera S with headers, exhaust and sport cats, and a manual. i just recently raced my buddy with a 2007 bmw m5 with a 6-speed (non-smg) with pulley and k&n drop ins
we did a 20 mph roll up to about 130 mph and we were neck and neck, we did this about 3 times because to be honest i was in shock! normally a lot of the vids i have seen posted up on the net have been normally m5's and m6's racing porsche turbos guessing they tend to be a little more in the same league?
do you guys believe the 05-08 carrera S's? are not in the same league as the m5 and m6's, because to me and my personal experiences, M5 and M6's are very overrated?
just wanted your opinions?
-jason
i have a 05 carrera S with headers, exhaust and sport cats, and a manual. i just recently raced my buddy with a 2007 bmw m5 with a 6-speed (non-smg) with pulley and k&n drop ins
we did a 20 mph roll up to about 130 mph and we were neck and neck, we did this about 3 times because to be honest i was in shock! normally a lot of the vids i have seen posted up on the net have been normally m5's and m6's racing porsche turbos guessing they tend to be a little more in the same league?
do you guys believe the 05-08 carrera S's? are not in the same league as the m5 and m6's, because to me and my personal experiences, M5 and M6's are very overrated?
just wanted your opinions?
-jason
The M6 was so different that it was difficult to make a meaningful comparison. For a start, compared to the Porsche, it's ENORMOUS! You're also aware of a much greater weight. The V10 is one hell of an engine and once you give it its head, you're instantly aware of a monster top-end power delivery, but..... From all the road tests and hype, I'd expected this car to feel REALLY quick. It didn't. There was huge power but also huge weight holding it back. The M6 was definitely quicker than my (currently stock) 997S but it was a small difference not a massive one - it felt 10% faster not 25% if you know what I mean. The lasting impression was of huge amounts of energy being deployed to move a mountain! The exact opposite of the Porsche where just enough energy is being used to intelligently get a similar result from a much lighter package. No wonder the BMW's fuel consumption is so huge!
In conclusion then, I could just about believe that a well modded 997S might give an M5 or M6 (they're so similar performance wise) a run for its money at lower speeds. Over 120mph, I would expect the M5/6 to just disappear into the distance. At these speeds weight is less relevant, just power v. air resistance, and in this the BMW is light years ahead of the 997S.
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09-25-2008 | 04:37 AM
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I recently test drove both the new M3 and a late, low-mileage M6. I remember saying to the sales guy at the time that the M3 was so close in performance (in a straight line) to my 997S that I bet you couldn't separate them . Seems from the YouTube video that this was about right.
The M6 was so different that it was difficult to make a meaningful comparison. For a start, compared to the Porsche, it's ENORMOUS! You're also aware of a much greater weight. The V10 is one hell of an engine and once you give it its head, you're instantly aware of a monster top-end power delivery, but..... From all the road tests and hype, I'd expected this car to feel REALLY quick. It didn't. There was huge power but also huge weight holding it back. The M6 was definitely quicker than my (currently stock) 997S but it was a small difference not a massive one - it felt 10% faster not 25% if you know what I mean. The lasting impression was of huge amounts of energy being deployed to move a mountain! The exact opposite of the Porsche where just enough energy is being used to intelligently get a similar result from a much lighter package. No wonder the BMW's fuel consumption is so huge!
In conclusion then, I could just about believe that a well modded 997S might give an M5 or M6 (they're so similar performance wise) a run for its money at lower speeds. Over 120mph, I would expect the M5/6 to just disappear into the distance. At these speeds weight is less relevant, just power v. air resistance, and in this the BMW is light years ahead of the 997S.
The M6 was so different that it was difficult to make a meaningful comparison. For a start, compared to the Porsche, it's ENORMOUS! You're also aware of a much greater weight. The V10 is one hell of an engine and once you give it its head, you're instantly aware of a monster top-end power delivery, but..... From all the road tests and hype, I'd expected this car to feel REALLY quick. It didn't. There was huge power but also huge weight holding it back. The M6 was definitely quicker than my (currently stock) 997S but it was a small difference not a massive one - it felt 10% faster not 25% if you know what I mean. The lasting impression was of huge amounts of energy being deployed to move a mountain! The exact opposite of the Porsche where just enough energy is being used to intelligently get a similar result from a much lighter package. No wonder the BMW's fuel consumption is so huge!
In conclusion then, I could just about believe that a well modded 997S might give an M5 or M6 (they're so similar performance wise) a run for its money at lower speeds. Over 120mph, I would expect the M5/6 to just disappear into the distance. At these speeds weight is less relevant, just power v. air resistance, and in this the BMW is light years ahead of the 997S.