Product Development Post - 2009 997 3.8L 6spd - A.W.E. Tuning
#61
Quick update before I leave for the day.
Development is wrapping up on this project and I have some nice photos to share of production parts:
As promised, we tested an x-pipe design for this car. It made a very nice sound and we plan on offering it for people looking to change the tone of the vehicle and save a little weight without sacrificing a lot of power:
A better option for weight loss is our rear muffler delete cross over pipes. Not quite as sweet sounding as the x-pipe, but we recorded gains throughout the rev range:
Our mufflers, headers, and cats are completed and are in their final round of power testing. Here is a picture of the header set:
And here is a close up photo showing our usual attention to detail where we hand grind the internal welds to maximize exhaust flow:
A couple photos of the complete system on the car:
And here is shot showing ground clearance. Even with our long tube headers, we managed to model our tube run not to hang any lower than stock. We increased available space to lengthen the header primaries by moving the cats to where the rear center muffler used to go:
Anyway, I hope you enjoy the photos. I'll try to upload some dyno sheets and videos tomorrow.
Pricing and release date will come soon.
Development is wrapping up on this project and I have some nice photos to share of production parts:
As promised, we tested an x-pipe design for this car. It made a very nice sound and we plan on offering it for people looking to change the tone of the vehicle and save a little weight without sacrificing a lot of power:
A better option for weight loss is our rear muffler delete cross over pipes. Not quite as sweet sounding as the x-pipe, but we recorded gains throughout the rev range:
Our mufflers, headers, and cats are completed and are in their final round of power testing. Here is a picture of the header set:
And here is a close up photo showing our usual attention to detail where we hand grind the internal welds to maximize exhaust flow:
A couple photos of the complete system on the car:
And here is shot showing ground clearance. Even with our long tube headers, we managed to model our tube run not to hang any lower than stock. We increased available space to lengthen the header primaries by moving the cats to where the rear center muffler used to go:
Anyway, I hope you enjoy the photos. I'll try to upload some dyno sheets and videos tomorrow.
Pricing and release date will come soon.
#64
i'm pretty sure you will have the awe tips pretty soon to complete the package, looks really good
now VF have to adapt their super charger kit, new adaptor plate, injectors and writing the software for dfi, awe worked with vf for the b7 audi, why not with the 997.2 ?
dreams dreams all day long
now VF have to adapt their super charger kit, new adaptor plate, injectors and writing the software for dfi, awe worked with vf for the b7 audi, why not with the 997.2 ?
dreams dreams all day long
#65
Here are the dyno sheets of our x-pipe and cross over rear muffler deletes.
First is our cross over system. It is a direct plug in replacement for the factory center rear muffler, using 2.5" diameter tubing. Max gains were ~5 crank hp and ~5 crank tq, with improvements throughout the rpm range. We feel these are very realistic and expected gains, as the OE rear muffler is not immensely restrictive as the side mufflers are doing the bulk of the sound control. Gains are seen from providing a straight through path vs forcing the exhaust gas through a baffle system in the OE unit. Gains are also seen from enlarging tube diameter slightly vs stock. We anticipate an MSRP of $695 for this product. T304 stainless steel construction.
Here are the results of our x-pipe system. As we anticipated, the extra tube length run and bends did not help power. But also as we anticipated and have seen on other cars during development, the tone produced by this configuration is very, very sweet. For people looking only for sound improvement and a slight weight loss, this is a nice, albeit power robbing, mod. We are shooting for an $849 MSRP on this product. T304 stainless steel construction.
Finally, here is an overlay of stock, our x-pipe, and our cross over systems:
I am aware that our results here may fly in the face of results posted by other sources, but rest assured that as always we did our due diligence when dyno testing these products in house.
Same day, back to back testing was done to minimize weather and mileage variables, and full multiple scan tool monitoring was done, including the use of our PIWIS factory tool, to ensure controlled vehicle state test conditions.
Without these controls in place, we have seen that it is extremely easy to produce invalid data.
Any questions, let us know.
First is our cross over system. It is a direct plug in replacement for the factory center rear muffler, using 2.5" diameter tubing. Max gains were ~5 crank hp and ~5 crank tq, with improvements throughout the rpm range. We feel these are very realistic and expected gains, as the OE rear muffler is not immensely restrictive as the side mufflers are doing the bulk of the sound control. Gains are seen from providing a straight through path vs forcing the exhaust gas through a baffle system in the OE unit. Gains are also seen from enlarging tube diameter slightly vs stock. We anticipate an MSRP of $695 for this product. T304 stainless steel construction.
Here are the results of our x-pipe system. As we anticipated, the extra tube length run and bends did not help power. But also as we anticipated and have seen on other cars during development, the tone produced by this configuration is very, very sweet. For people looking only for sound improvement and a slight weight loss, this is a nice, albeit power robbing, mod. We are shooting for an $849 MSRP on this product. T304 stainless steel construction.
Finally, here is an overlay of stock, our x-pipe, and our cross over systems:
I am aware that our results here may fly in the face of results posted by other sources, but rest assured that as always we did our due diligence when dyno testing these products in house.
Same day, back to back testing was done to minimize weather and mileage variables, and full multiple scan tool monitoring was done, including the use of our PIWIS factory tool, to ensure controlled vehicle state test conditions.
Without these controls in place, we have seen that it is extremely easy to produce invalid data.
Any questions, let us know.
#66
A.W.E. Tuning Pricing Breakdown:
Cross Over System - $695
X-pipe - $849
Email me for pre-order info.
mike@awe-tuning.com
Cross Over System - $695
X-pipe - $849
Email me for pre-order info.
mike@awe-tuning.com
Last edited by Josh/AWE; 01-30-2009 at 11:28 AM.
#67
When will there ever be any agreement on how much power (or loss in many cases) these mods make. It's really confusing to see 2 similar products from different manufacturers produce such drastically different results.
#68
I am aware that our results here may fly in the face of results posted by other sources, but rest assured that as always we did our due diligence when dyno testing these products in house.
Same day, back to back testing was done to minimize weather and mileage variables, and full multiple scan tool monitoring was done, including the use of our PIWIS factory tool, to ensure controlled vehicle state test conditions.
Without these controls in place, we have seen that it is extremely easy to produce invalid data.
Any questions, let us know.
#71
AWE, do you have dyno runs of the complete system with the headers, 200 cel cats and mufflers?
Is there is CEL thrown with the 200 cell cats further away from the headers than stock. Do the cars computer not reconize that the 200 cell cats do not heat up as fast on start up?
thanks!
Is there is CEL thrown with the 200 cell cats further away from the headers than stock. Do the cars computer not reconize that the 200 cell cats do not heat up as fast on start up?
thanks!
#72
AWE, do you have dyno runs of the complete system with the headers, 200 cel cats and mufflers?
Is there is CEL thrown with the 200 cell cats further away from the headers than stock. Do the cars computer not reconize that the 200 cell cats do not heat up as fast on start up?
thanks!
Is there is CEL thrown with the 200 cell cats further away from the headers than stock. Do the cars computer not reconize that the 200 cell cats do not heat up as fast on start up?
thanks!
#73
Saw this on Fvd website ( afaik the only euro tuner with 09 exhaust ready) :
their exhaust has 70mm (2.75") tubing as standard for the 09 though their exhausts for 05-08 where 63mm (2.5"), their 70mm brombacher exhaust was their top stage for 05-08 and it's now standard for 09 (with a nice price decrease for almost the same exhaust).
Did you , at awe see during your testing that you have to use bigger tubing for the 09 motor? What about low end power with fvd's solution? (but good free flow for supercharger configurations)
fvd 09
(sorry for tagged pics but had the show what i want to share)
their exhaust has 70mm (2.75") tubing as standard for the 09 though their exhausts for 05-08 where 63mm (2.5"), their 70mm brombacher exhaust was their top stage for 05-08 and it's now standard for 09 (with a nice price decrease for almost the same exhaust).
Did you , at awe see during your testing that you have to use bigger tubing for the 09 motor? What about low end power with fvd's solution? (but good free flow for supercharger configurations)
fvd 09
(sorry for tagged pics but had the show what i want to share)
Last edited by jiaim; 02-02-2009 at 12:44 PM.