PDK cost me a TON of money
#47
Drove manual shifts for years. No regrets going to auto for a sports car. Tiptronic is most intuitive. PDK is amazing. The DI engine is powerful but like an electric motor and needs character. I take my hat off to those who can heel-toe subconciously. I'll blame size 13EE shoes for my lack of ability. I'm pressed for space in the 911 so manuals are difficult. I frankly think that there is skill driving an auto properly. Manually forcing shifts up/down aint a bad option. Without offending, DSG, PDK, DCT are getting so good, manual shifting will be stories to tell the grand kids. I don't think I would have swapped for a manual. However, some may feel they are missing something, so I resepct it's subjective.
#49
The only downside to the PDK mechanism itself being that downshifts at slower speeds are a bit thunky.......an experience that bothered me every time I was down shifting to a stop or in heavy traffic
Downshifting under heavy load, as in quickly before a sharp turn, while at speed was awesome and smooth without the clunk from the tranny that you get at slower speeds.
Downshifting under heavy load, as in quickly before a sharp turn, while at speed was awesome and smooth without the clunk from the tranny that you get at slower speeds.
#51
I should have bought a '09 manual trannie S since the PDK is about $4k and the upgrade from base to S is about $10K!!!!! Really, really dumb decision on my part, but live and learn.
My trade in at 6 months and 6500 miles was about $67,000.
I did feel better when I saw them listing my '09 for $1K over what they allowed me on trade and the '07 I traded for was sold to me at $5K below NADA so.....I think they really *tried* to do the best for me that they could given the circumstances. I spoke to the original owner of the '07 who had just traded it in the day before I bought it and they sold it to me for $300.00 over what they allowed him on trade.
I had equity in the '09 so I wasn't upside down, but I did lose nearly all of that equity.
Last edited by B R A N D X®; 05-17-2009 at 02:41 PM.
#52
drove manual shifts for years. No regrets going to auto for a sports car. Tiptronic is most intuitive. Pdk is amazing. The di engine is powerful but like an electric motor and needs character. I take my hat off to those who can heel-toe subconciously. I'll blame size 13ee shoes for my lack of ability. I'm pressed for space in the 911 so manuals are difficult. I frankly think that there is skill driving an auto properly. Manually forcing shifts up/down aint a bad option. Without offending, dsg, pdk, dct are getting so good, manual shifting will be stories to tell the grand kids. I don't think i would have swapped for a manual. However, some may feel they are missing something, so i resepct it's subjective.
#54
I'll make the assumption you are referring to comments about one trannie versus the other than others have made since I'm not putting down either transmission. Correct me if I'm wrong.
#55
Having switched from an auto-manual (E60 M5), I found the return to 6M to be unexpectedly enjoyable. I had forgotten how pleasurable it was to shift.
Perhaps the reason we don't find the same joy in shifting the auto-manual is because there is so little input provided by the driver, which provokes so little output -- an exactly-as-expected shift, every single time. Without the feedback and range of driver input, we have no positive/negative reinforcement of our behavior (shifting) and thus no sense of reward. Certainly negative feedback is not a requirement in this feedback loop, but it does help to heighten the elation we feel when we shift smoothly.
The same phenomenon is present in the extraordinary feedback from Porsche steering systems. Broad inputs (sensitivity) + extensive positive feedback = extremely satisfying steering.
Perhaps the reason we don't find the same joy in shifting the auto-manual is because there is so little input provided by the driver, which provokes so little output -- an exactly-as-expected shift, every single time. Without the feedback and range of driver input, we have no positive/negative reinforcement of our behavior (shifting) and thus no sense of reward. Certainly negative feedback is not a requirement in this feedback loop, but it does help to heighten the elation we feel when we shift smoothly.
The same phenomenon is present in the extraordinary feedback from Porsche steering systems. Broad inputs (sensitivity) + extensive positive feedback = extremely satisfying steering.
#56
Correct....you did what made you happy and gave a fair discription of your wants and needs. Other on this forum and other fourms are not doing this and will try to put down PDK when in fact they have never driven a PDK at length or lived with a PDK car.
#58
You have Homestead and PIR (Moroso) to enjoy it!!!!!! Check out Chin Motorsports and the Gold Coast chapter of PCA.
#59
Wow ..where do you draw the line......As I head into a corner at speed I'll remind myself that I shouldn't be on the track.......sorry rockstardoc....just saw your other post....
Last edited by Lockie; 05-18-2009 at 10:27 AM.