997S vs E92 M3...Thoughts/Opinions
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05-18-2009 | 06:16 PM
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I would never own an Xbox, I have better things to waste my time on, like have conversations on line with ignorant trolls like you.
As for the mods on my car, they were an attempt to more competitve with the 997 GT3. I have since accepted the fact that I should have bought the GT3 instead when I had to replace my first 997C2S, but there were very good reasons that prevented me from doing so.
As for the mods on my car, they were an attempt to more competitve with the 997 GT3. I have since accepted the fact that I should have bought the GT3 instead when I had to replace my first 997C2S, but there were very good reasons that prevented me from doing so.
Both are great cars. If you continue the discussion in the vein of the specific merits of each car, the discussion is only enhanced.
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05-18-2009 | 06:19 PM
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To the OP, just test drive both. You've mentioned that you don't want to waste people's time by test driving now, since you're not quite ready. Truth is, the dealerships have plenty of cars and salespeople really have nothing better to do. This is in fact the best time to do your research. Buy the one that makes you happy, as both have their pros and cons.
Also, post the same question in the M3 forum, and see how many there would actually prefer the Porsche. Better yet, there are plenty of threads that already exists...just do a search. That would be very telling.
If you want to do DE's, you can spend a lifetime learning the intricacies of the 911 platform. To me, cars should be like fine wine and women... among the obvious attributes, depth and sophistication are high on my list of criteria.
Just for the record...I've test driven both, tracked them both... Porsche 911 for me everyday, and twice on Sundays.
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05-18-2009 | 06:19 PM
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911 is an enzo in disguise...
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05-18-2009 | 06:26 PM
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I have an 08 M3 .
I have a 997tt .
I had a 997S .
The only things I like about the M3 are :
1) Space
2) Narrow body = less ding exposure . Great daily driver .
3) great sound system
Outside of that there is no reason to buy an M3. The 997S will out drive it , provide more fun , and is more refined and sophisticated. The run flats on the M are awful . BMW free service is a headache . The gear box is sloppy . The car is heavy, bloated and feels like a Mustang with class at best.
BTW --I like it more these days than i used to . I am going to keep it . If I had to buy all over again I would buy the Porsche .
I have a 997tt .
I had a 997S .
The only things I like about the M3 are :
1) Space
2) Narrow body = less ding exposure . Great daily driver .
3) great sound system
Outside of that there is no reason to buy an M3. The 997S will out drive it , provide more fun , and is more refined and sophisticated. The run flats on the M are awful . BMW free service is a headache . The gear box is sloppy . The car is heavy, bloated and feels like a Mustang with class at best.
BTW --I like it more these days than i used to . I am going to keep it . If I had to buy all over again I would buy the Porsche .
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I owned a E92 M3 DCT...sold it after three months and bought a used 997S...never looked back!
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05-18-2009 | 06:29 PM
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BMW free service is a headache? You sure that is not a dealer issue? Funny, I have no issues with it.
The car is not heavy or bloated and does not feel like a Mustang, lay off the Porsche kool-aid. You sure you are not driving a 328? Weird that the world's automotive press feels differently.
The car is not heavy or bloated and does not feel like a Mustang, lay off the Porsche kool-aid. You sure you are not driving a 328? Weird that the world's automotive press feels differently.
I did say it feels like a mustang with class .
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05-18-2009 | 07:01 PM
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I show up unannounced, get what I need done. Yes you can call up and get immediate answers, why not? Do people not answer the phone at your dealer?
I know what you said, the 911 feels like a bug with class. That is far more accurate than your mustang comment, which is equally ridiculous.
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05-18-2009 | 07:12 PM
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BMW free service is a headache? You sure that is not a dealer issue? Funny, I have no issues with it.
The car is not heavy or bloated and does not feel like a Mustang, lay off the Porsche kool-aid. You sure you are not driving a 328? Weird that the world's automotive press feels differently.
The car is not heavy or bloated and does not feel like a Mustang, lay off the Porsche kool-aid. You sure you are not driving a 328? Weird that the world's automotive press feels differently.
The dealer is fine, I have a great SA that takes care of me. Just don't want the car to have issues, and my last 2 BMWs have/had issues, and I bought both new.
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05-18-2009 | 07:20 PM
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[quote=AceRothstein415;2390368]thank you for everyone's comments
Another concern is maintenance, my last car was a lemon, and the 335 has been in the shop with computer issues at least 8 weeks total since I got it about 20 months ago. Even though I am always taken care of and given loaner etc.... it's still a hassle at times.
Are you saying that your current 335 has been in the shop for 8 weeks during the 20 months that you've owned it? Am I reading this right? Seems like eight weeks out of 20 months ought to give you pause to consider asking for a buyback. We just sued Audi for 27 days in the shop over the first 13 months. The lawsuit took a year with no intervening car problems during that time but, in the end, they gave us almost half what we paid for the car to settle. (Even with no problems we didn't drop the case b/c with it's service record we'd never realize a fraction of the book value on the secondary market.) The California Lemon Law is very consumer friendly.
Another concern is maintenance, my last car was a lemon, and the 335 has been in the shop with computer issues at least 8 weeks total since I got it about 20 months ago. Even though I am always taken care of and given loaner etc.... it's still a hassle at times.
Are you saying that your current 335 has been in the shop for 8 weeks during the 20 months that you've owned it? Am I reading this right? Seems like eight weeks out of 20 months ought to give you pause to consider asking for a buyback. We just sued Audi for 27 days in the shop over the first 13 months. The lawsuit took a year with no intervening car problems during that time but, in the end, they gave us almost half what we paid for the car to settle. (Even with no problems we didn't drop the case b/c with it's service record we'd never realize a fraction of the book value on the secondary market.) The California Lemon Law is very consumer friendly.
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05-18-2009 | 07:22 PM
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I think your TT is just so ridiculous that the M3 daily seems pale in comparison. I guess I won't know for sure 'til I drive one....
thank you for input
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[quote=Tcc1999;2390533]
I've considered, but for now the problem is fixed. Don't really want to go through the trouble of a buyback quite yet.
thank you for everyone's comments
Another concern is maintenance, my last car was a lemon, and the 335 has been in the shop with computer issues at least 8 weeks total since I got it about 20 months ago. Even though I am always taken care of and given loaner etc.... it's still a hassle at times.
Are you saying that your current 335 has been in the shop for 8 weeks during the 20 months that you've owned it? Am I reading this right? Seems like eight weeks out of 20 months ought to give you pause to consider asking for a buyback. We just sued Audi for 27 days in the shop over the first 13 months. The lawsuit took a year with no intervening car problems during that time but, in the end, they gave us almost half what we paid for the car to settle. (Even with no problems we didn't drop the case b/c with it's service record we'd never realize a fraction of the book value on the secondary market.) The California Lemon Law is very consumer friendly.
Another concern is maintenance, my last car was a lemon, and the 335 has been in the shop with computer issues at least 8 weeks total since I got it about 20 months ago. Even though I am always taken care of and given loaner etc.... it's still a hassle at times.
Are you saying that your current 335 has been in the shop for 8 weeks during the 20 months that you've owned it? Am I reading this right? Seems like eight weeks out of 20 months ought to give you pause to consider asking for a buyback. We just sued Audi for 27 days in the shop over the first 13 months. The lawsuit took a year with no intervening car problems during that time but, in the end, they gave us almost half what we paid for the car to settle. (Even with no problems we didn't drop the case b/c with it's service record we'd never realize a fraction of the book value on the secondary market.) The California Lemon Law is very consumer friendly.
I've considered, but for now the problem is fixed. Don't really want to go through the trouble of a buyback quite yet.
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I love my M3 but there's no way a similarly spec'd out brand new 997S is close to the price of my car. Plus i'm kinda young and wanted something to look forward to in life!
There's so many factors that come into play when choosing between the Porsche and the BMW. It really depends on your age, length of ownership of the car, what the car is for, plus a few other variables...
If I could get a new 997s for the price of my M3, I would have hands down bought it.
There's so many factors that come into play when choosing between the Porsche and the BMW. It really depends on your age, length of ownership of the car, what the car is for, plus a few other variables...
If I could get a new 997s for the price of my M3, I would have hands down bought it.