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Old 07-08-2009 | 06:59 PM
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They wouldn't give one other than "we requested a new engine...." I am going to try and pry when I drop it off to see what one of the techs or shop foreman say.
I can't believe they let you drive it needing a new engine...didn't they have to tear it down to diagnose the problem?
I've left 2 messages for my SA re: an ETA for the engine...he has yet to call back.
 

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Question for those that are tech oriented. What could have caused the scoring to this piston in the first place...a broken ring?
They did have a run of ring and cylinder problems early on. What I find interesting is that they know the range of #'s and manu. dates. I don't know if this applies to your motor. Btw, after you get it broke in run your buddy again. Curious me.
 
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They did have a run of ring and cylinder problems early on. What I find interesting is that they know the range of #'s and manu. dates. I don't know if this applies to your motor. Btw, after you get it broke in run your buddy again. Curious me.
Good info thnx.

Break-in all over again

I too am curious see how the new engine performs/compares to the last.
 
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Good info thnx.

Break-in all over again

I too am curious see how the new engine performs/compares to the last.

You might decide to buy this car after the engine and clutch are fixed .
 
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Old 07-08-2009 | 09:12 PM
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You might decide to buy this car after the engine and clutch are fixed .
Larry,

If they actually fix the clutch chatter this time, another new Porsche will be in the cards for me when my lease comes due in early Jan, if not then it's time to move on...
 
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Question for those that are tech oriented. What could have caused the scoring to this piston in the first place...a broken ring?
Usually debris or bad filtration.
 
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Usually debris or bad filtration.
What about the lack of lubrication? This might make sense since I heard tremendous valve clatter upon a cold start...the massive oil consumption ensued shortly thereafter.
 
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What about the lack of lubrication? This might make sense since I heard tremendous valve clatter upon a cold start...the massive oil consumption ensued shortly thereafter.
Yes lack of lubrication will also cause this, it would be interesting to see if they found any debris though.

As long as it's covered I wouldn't sweat it.
 
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The new engine is in.

With regard to the chatter, they said the clutch and all related components look okay, so I asked what is causing the chatter and they replied they did not know. The chatter issue has been reported since the car was new and several other times; I've met with the Porsche rep for this twice...perhaps its lemon law time if they cannot fix it. Again, the clutch on my Cayman S loaner is sublime!!!
 
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Originally Posted by Dave07997S
Yes lack of lubrication will also cause this, it would be interesting to see if they found any debris though.

As long as it's covered I wouldn't sweat it.

I'll ask because I'm curious too, but their dissemination of information is sketchy at best.

What would you advise for the clutch chatter? The car can only be driven off from a stop very gingerly or very aggressively to avoid chatter...anything in between produces it.

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Have you confirmed this?

Are you certain that Porsche has a range of #'s and manufacture dates for cars with rings and cylinder issues? This is the first I've heard of such...

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They did have a run of ring and cylinder problems early on. What I find interesting is that they know the range of #'s and manu. dates. I don't know if this applies to your motor. Btw, after you get it broke in run your buddy again. Curious me.
 
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Originally Posted by 500
I'll ask because I'm curious too, but their dissemination of information is sketchy at best.

What would you advise for the clutch chatter? The car can only be driven off from a stop very gingerly or very aggressively to avoid chatter...anything in between produces it.

Thanks
Clutch chatter is more than 90% of the time caused by an issue with the friction surfaces of the clutch (clutch disc, pressure plate and in some extent the flywheel.). When this happens on new cars it has to be where the clutch wasn't installed correctly or their is a lubricant contamination on the pressure plate or the clutch disc itself. If it isn't contamination the only thing I may consider is the motor mounts. If those are OK its a clutch issue. I drove a brand new 2009 Shelby GT500 and the car had it pretty bad. A lot of the time on a new car the chatter will somewhat diminish. When I bought a new 01 M3 at the time I test drove another car that maybe I would switch into..the clutch chattered so bad I passed. Has it done it since new?

I would switch out the clutch as this isn't a warrantable item anyway and get a new flywheel not one resurfaced and see how it goes. This would be a great time to do a LWFW.
 

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Originally Posted by Dave07997S
Clutch chatter is more than 90% of the time caused by an issue with the friction surfaces of the clutch (clutch disc, pressure plate and in some extent the flywheel.). When this happens on new cars it has to be where the clutch wasn't installed correctly or their is a lubricant contamination on the pressure plate or the clutch disc itself. If it isn't contamination the only thing I may consider is the motor mounts. If those are OK its a clutch issue. I drove a brand new 2009 Shelby GT500 and the car had it pretty bad. A lot of the time on a new car the chatter will somewhat diminish. When I bought a new 01 M3 at the time I test drove another car that maybe I would switch into..the clutch chattered so bad I passed. Has it done it since new?

I would switch out the clutch as this isn't a warrantable item anyway and get a new flywheel not one resurfaced and see how it goes. This would be a great time to do a LWFW.
Excellent insight and advice.
 
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I'll ask because I'm curious too, but their dissemination of information is sketchy at best.

What would you advise for the clutch chatter? The car can only be driven off from a stop very gingerly or very aggressively to avoid chatter...anything in between produces it.

Thanks
Ask them if the engine transmission alignment is OK. Chatter can be due to a misalignment of the tranny/engine axis.
 
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Are you certain that Porsche has a range of #'s and manufacture dates for cars with rings and cylinder issues? This is the first I've heard of such...
When I discussed my left soot side issue w regional ser.mgr. I mentioned the reports of ring problems on the boards. He checked and informed me my motor "did not fall in the range of affected production dates". My car was produced in 1/06 so it was before that
 


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