Fabspeed 996 & 997 200 Cell Sport Catalytic Converter X-Pipe
#61
So, Alex, that low bass roar at 3K or so when engine is under load - is it mostly due to cats or due to mufflers design? I also feel more vibration than usual now, not sure what the heck... It probably because rods are touching mufflers, not sure. Overall you got great design for this system, but those rods are definitely a weakest link.
I wanted to avoid cutting anything, if possible, but as it seems it will be tricky to fit stock mufflers with xpipe cats. I figure there is no adapter for that - the only way is to cut?
I wanted to avoid cutting anything, if possible, but as it seems it will be tricky to fit stock mufflers with xpipe cats. I figure there is no adapter for that - the only way is to cut?
Remember anytime you install a new exhaust, you must go back after a few days and check all the connections and retighten everything. Because when it heats up and cools down, things expand and contract, so hardware may loosen up a little. This should eliminate anything coming loose or moving.
Thanks,
Last edited by Fabspeed Motorsport; 08-21-2009 at 10:56 AM.
#62
Is there any way to measure/describe/convey how much louder this setup is than the car with just Fabspeed mufflers - on a 997S? This design seems very interesting, but I don't want to end up with an unacceptably loud car. Love the Fabspeed mufflers on my cab though but need to keep my car civilized.
Overall it resulted in probably good 1/3 if not half reduced noise inside of the car. I can say - it very civilized and not annoying. It just apparently has to be done properly.
#63
I would drive the car some more and put more miles on the system to let everything settle in and I think you will really enjoy the upgraded exhaust.
Remember anytime you install a new exhaust, you must go back after a few days and check all the connections and retighten everything. Because when it heats up and cools down, things expand and contract, so hardware may loosen up a little. This should eliminate anything coming loose or moving.
Thanks,
Remember anytime you install a new exhaust, you must go back after a few days and check all the connections and retighten everything. Because when it heats up and cools down, things expand and contract, so hardware may loosen up a little. This should eliminate anything coming loose or moving.
Thanks,
Could you please ship me (if you have them) clamps that hook mufflers to cats as stock Porsche clamps apparently cannot be reused - they are bended and let exhaust gas to leak from that connection. It probably would be great to include those new clamps into package by default. I spent probably good 5 hours total today and yesterday fighting those clamps alone - if I would have a replacement I would simply cut it off from pipes and saved a ton of time.
#64
I have a 997C2S Cab with fab speed mufflers, cats and air intake, and K&N. In my opinion, its what a 911 should sound like. The stock exhaust is way too quiet. A G20 and F45 is louder! I want my 911 to sound as close to a Ferrari as possible. I bought a 911, to do everything right including sound. Its a sports car damm it! Whats better then startring to accelerate and you hear that rummble of the exhaust! It was also a pleasure dealing with the guys at Fab Speed. Very helpful. I know that they state that there is an increase in HP. Its difficult to tell. But the sound definitley gives you that impression. The sound alone is worth it. I have had other Porsches (and Ferrari's). I love this setup. What was important to me was that it didn't sound like a Civic. I was concerned. But that initial drive, and every drive after...puts a smile on my face. I will own many 911's and unless Porsche changes the exhaust to be a little louder, then all my future 911's will be Fab Speed. I'm on Long Island. If anyone wants to hear it shoot me an e-mail. I was recently looking to purchase a Z8. The first thing I looked into was if Fab speed manufactured a system for the car.
Last edited by GaryRes; 08-21-2009 at 08:43 PM.
#65
No...read my 1st sentance again...I said I JUST had Fabspeed mufflers. I had stock headers and cats due to the word "just". I used the word "had" to tell you I no longer have this system or car.
As for the vibrations go take a look at the tube strut that is behind the rear tire that braces the lower quarter panel. It comes real close to the muffler. If it touches the muffler you will be surprised by how much vibration is transmitted.
Hope this helps.
As for the vibrations go take a look at the tube strut that is behind the rear tire that braces the lower quarter panel. It comes real close to the muffler. If it touches the muffler you will be surprised by how much vibration is transmitted.
Hope this helps.
Last edited by mdrums; 08-22-2009 at 07:45 PM. Reason: spelling
#66
I have no interest to guess who had just what. That was just a simple question, so if you`re not inclined anymore to continue a polite adult conversation - turn your head to the mirror and express all your JUSTs and HADs to your own reflection. I am not interested to hear all this nonsense.
Last edited by GT3 Chuck; 08-22-2009 at 07:58 PM.
#67
I agree, sound is perfect. Only issue I still have is to tighten up clamps around muffler pipes perfectly so it would eliminate any exhaust gas leaks.
Last edited by utkinpol; 08-22-2009 at 12:03 PM.
#68
When I 1st installed it, I didn't have any gas leaks but I did have a little vibration. Which my mechanic tighten some clamps and it went away. I actually wish the low end noise would be there after 5 grand. It fades after that. If anyone is interested, cruising at a steady 75 its pretty quiet from the exhaust. At that speed the crappy run flats make more noise!
#69
I have no interest to guess who had just what. That was just a simple question, so if you`re not inclined anymore to continue a polite adult conversation - turn your head to the mirror and express all your JUSTs and HADs to your own reflection. I am not interested to hear all this nonsense.
Last edited by GT3 Chuck; 08-22-2009 at 07:59 PM. Reason: if you don't like it...don't quote it
#71
I am new to the tuning game but researching mods for 05 997s. Thinking of just starting with Fabspeed performance package. Do I understand correctly that all you really need is the sport cats and mufler and that the OEM headers are fine? And seems top be 50/50 out there on whether or not a remapped ECU is worth it? Any experiences would be appreciated.
#72
where can i get the x51 headers from for under $600?
#73
bakers911 -- my personal experience on this one.
1. the cats seem to add some oomph to the system, but man, you gotta have one SENSITIVE hind side to feel it. You can hear the sound change, and if you do the cats only, it's personal preference on how they work with the stock cans. There absolutely is some resonance, it's different from tuned sound you get with the car stock, and it's just going to be up to you on how much you like it. A lot of folks can't even hear the resonance, but trust me, it's there.
2. ECU re-map ... what can I say, I have fun with mine, but I bought my car before I knew jack about what options I actually wanted, and I missed something critical. The re-map took care of that for me. Eventually I'm going to make it to a dyno (missed my last chance) and I'll be able to see if these mods added up or if they just made me have some fun.
Regardless, unless you can quantify what you are doing, I wouldn't go by any raw numbers published anywhere. Just get the things that are fun for you and have a good time with it. Focus on stuff that you can quantify, like the feeling of having sport mode on a car without sport chrono, or the feeling of hearing the raw sound coming out of your car when you open it up. And trust me, your butt dyno is going to always tell you that you did the right thing unless the car is running like crap!
1. the cats seem to add some oomph to the system, but man, you gotta have one SENSITIVE hind side to feel it. You can hear the sound change, and if you do the cats only, it's personal preference on how they work with the stock cans. There absolutely is some resonance, it's different from tuned sound you get with the car stock, and it's just going to be up to you on how much you like it. A lot of folks can't even hear the resonance, but trust me, it's there.
2. ECU re-map ... what can I say, I have fun with mine, but I bought my car before I knew jack about what options I actually wanted, and I missed something critical. The re-map took care of that for me. Eventually I'm going to make it to a dyno (missed my last chance) and I'll be able to see if these mods added up or if they just made me have some fun.
Regardless, unless you can quantify what you are doing, I wouldn't go by any raw numbers published anywhere. Just get the things that are fun for you and have a good time with it. Focus on stuff that you can quantify, like the feeling of having sport mode on a car without sport chrono, or the feeling of hearing the raw sound coming out of your car when you open it up. And trust me, your butt dyno is going to always tell you that you did the right thing unless the car is running like crap!
#74
I am new to the tuning game but researching mods for 05 997s. Thinking of just starting with Fabspeed performance package. Do I understand correctly that all you really need is the sport cats and mufler and that the OEM headers are fine? And seems top be 50/50 out there on whether or not a remapped ECU is worth it? Any experiences would be appreciated.
As your car is `05 - again, it may become a problem to undo those bolts from engine block - they are probably completely rusty now if you do have original stock headers there. To brake off heads from those bolts would be, well, quite unpleasant.
#75
Hold your horses - you have brand new 997.2 car? It has different exhaust from 997.1 - search back to new threads from sponsors here advertising new exhaust designs for 2009 cars.