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I currently have a Boxster 987s MY 06, fairly well equiped, with PASM, 19" Carrera II wheels, nice slate grey, sport seats just about 20k miles and certified until March 2012.

Now the dealers in the area have several 09 997.2 loaners that can be sold as new, meaning 1.9% APR... They range from 10 - 4000 miles, but the one I am interested on a non S 997 w/ PDK, BT, cooled seats, black on black. They want 70 for it and pay about 35 on mine.

On several other dealers here I can find for about 70-74k a 2008 997S, even convertibles. If you look at the 08 S specs versus 09 non-S specs, they are pretty similar, except for the equipment that is standart on S (wheels, PASM, etc).

So the question is, well equiped 997 S MY 08, APR about 5% versus not so well equiped 997.2 w/ PDK 09, APR 1.9%

We say back in my home country that the best brand of car is a new car, not so much around here...

Cheers!

 

Your price estimates are high .
70 -74K is very , very close to an 09 C2S PDK used .
65K is more like it for an 08 997S .

They can ask whatever price they want but its where the sale closes that counts .

My opinion - Pound the pavement on an 09 C2S at 74K and start looking . You may have to get 6K miles , or lack an option , or choose a second color choice , or travel .. but the car can be found .

This way you have no doubts.

 

had a similar dilemma and ended up going for a 997.2 S!

but regardless... i'd go for the 997.2 versus the MY08...

 

i agree...go for the 997.2...but don't wait too long

 

The closest I found in the Houston area was a 997.2 S, manual, black on black , fairly decent equiped versus a 997.2 non-S, w/ PDK, vent seats, nothing else.

The S model is going for 85 k versus 70 k for the non-S (which by the way needs a better nick than "non-S", so demeaning ). I can't see that the wheels, PASM, nav, 40 hp more and some extras are worth the 15k, especially considering that the S model is manual and the other is PDK (which is about 4k). Both have sport chrono plus.

I have PASM in my 987 and honestly I bearly use it, even less in the no man's land that is TX. A nice set of 19 wheels with new tires wont cost me more than 3000. Some minor tunning and the standart model will have close performance to the S model.

The 09 used S models, demo or loaners, are going around 94k w/ PDK in the area, pretty far to 76 k. I wish I could find one like that before the end of the month, when the 1.9% goes away...

Regardless, if I cant get a good deal I'll keep my Boxster, it's still a lot of fun to drive and won't cost me extra... The 2010 models will be coming soon, and given that dealers still have 2008 stuck in their parking lots, these 09 will be fair game pretty soon, regardless of the APR.

 

This is the month to buy the car . I found a used black/black but it's got PDK and is at a BMw dealership . http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...standard=false

Also when I went to buy my car i searched my region I found a black manual at Braman in Fl . I see its still on their site . It doest have full leather but has alot of nice options . I would try for the low 80's . http://braman.porschedealer.com/2009...44590/info.php

 

think most dealers will have the incentive to sell you their new stock and take in a trade-in vehicle.. the potential writedown on an absolute & relative basis for the used trade-in will be MUCH less than holding on to the new stock and let it ride down another model year...

work out what works for you and give them a low ball and you might be surprised... worse case you walk away and they're stuck with no buyer...

 

Great resources, many thanks. It works as a bargain chip here as well an option to buy their car first, sell mine later, at least the new one at 1.9% APR...

 

Well, 997.2 it is. I got it for 68 w/ PDK, vent seats (which work fairly well in the lovely Houstonian weather), sport chrono package, BT and others.
It was closed for 1.9% and they even added a child seat in the mix. I guess for no money down and MSRP of 87k, it wasn't the worst deal.

About the PDK, it is absolutely amazing what it can do. The upshifts are very fast but not cluncky and the downshifts are fairly smart. Tomorrow I'll test the launch control, rather curious...

Well, another to the 911 club, got take it to the track ASAP. Soon as I settle, mods will come...

 

Congrats ... that is a great deal too. The 997 and 997S deals are just incredible . From what i understand the incentives do not extend to cars like the Cayman or Turbo as the real push is on the Carrera .

Yet the base 997 at 68 is as good as it can get
Awesome !!!

I agree on the PDK . It shifts beautifully.
Once again congrats .. post pics.

 

Thanks mate, your help was appreciated and added to my long discussion on the price.
The car they had that I really wanted was a red turbo cab 08 with 44 miles (!) on it that they would let go for 112. Shame it is too much money, but that was the best deal by far...

Pics on the way, I'm going to detail it on the weekend and take some...

One interesting thing that I got was an internal manual on 911s. The essence of the difference between the s and base models are the obvious engine displacement and wheels added by pasm but besides same siZe 4 pistons brakes , they are 4 mm thicker on the S and that's pretty much it. Not because I got one , but Imho the current difference is not worth the extra 10k+, differently from prior years.

Cheers

 

'S' stock is better car than base stock, but only if you remain at stock. Brakes, suspension, clutch - all that is replaceable. Single item on 'S' car worth mentioning is its .2L bigger engine displacement that will always have a potential to be 30-40 horses above 3.6L engine.

From practical perspective it means pretty much nothing. The only time it will matter would be a drag racing on a straight line against 'S' car. Allt he rest mostly depends of your driving skills and art of controlling 911 rather than raw engine power.

 

I went to dealer on Tuesday to look at some - they do really have plenty of `09 cars in stock, but after brief chat I was told that they would never go below perhaps 8% down from MSRP, well, does not matter.

I tried PDK car and, well, it does shift quick but left same feel of auto transmission - it shifts not when I like it to do, say I like to ride specifically in 3.5K RPM - 6K RPM range. That is what I do most the time on manual. Sport mode PDK is sort of like that but still not exactly.

I think the ultimate thing would be for manufacturer finally allow detailed customization modes on those transmissions - just to put a table into PCM for me to fill it up with RPMs I like for each gear and have like 3-5 setups. After that I may be would be able to live with automatic on sport car but PDK left same impression as any other auto tranny makes - it does something that I do not want at time I do not want and extensively thinks instead of me. I do have same on my Lexus where I do not have to think while driving at all, but on a sport car - not so much.

 

i see your point an I agree with it.

two things make it easier to live with the pdk: manushift is very quick and responsive and sport mode is very smart. sport plus is hardcore driving, it will keep the rpm in optimum range, no unnecessary upshifts.

the launch control is another nice feature. i tried today in heavy rain and felt like a slingshot....

so far i am enjoying it, got go to a track asap...

 

The reason why the dealership "has plenty of cars " is because they are standing firm on 8 percent when many others are not . Perhaps they are hoping to sell those cars in 2010 when allocation goes down or maybe they simply are clueless on the market .

The auto modes share similar traits to an automatic but I have found that normal auto is a pleasure in gridlock traffic and sport auto is ideal for highway driving with occasional driver override .

The big gap is between normal and sport auto where in moderate driving (45 MPH speed limit) normal is too boring and sport downshifts to 1st too agressively . It's that 0 -45 type of driving where the auto modes lack the coordination and for those drives there's manual .