My friend is looking at either a 07/08 C2S manual or for the same money he can get a 09 C2 with PDK. The 997.1 S has a bigger engine but only 10 more hp than the base 997.2. PDK is nice for stop and go traffic and has faster gear changes but might not be a fun as a manual on the track.

In your opinion, which is better as a track car? And which is the better daily driver?



997.1 Carrea S 3.8 M/T


0-60 mph: 4.6 sec

Top Speed: 182 mph

997.2 Carrera 3.6 PDK

 

does the pdk car have the sports chrono package or not?

this would influence my decision.

 

2009 PDK - I love PDK and that would be my choice. PDK extracts a lot of performance out of the car. But thats a very personal decision. I would ensure the 2009 has SC

 

997.2 has way better electronics, it has PDK which will be great for both DD and track. And it is newer and better car. '09 C2 or C2S PDK with SC option would be better choice over any 997.1.

On other side of things - it probably would make sense to check out both and figure out for yourself what is it in the 911 car you`re after. Forum info is great but it rarely does anything else than supporting never ending flame of modding lust. Any 997 car, .1 or .2 are exceptionally good vehicles.

 

It would definitely have sports chrono if he decides on the PDK. PDK without SC is pointless IMO.

 

The budget is a bit tight for a 997.2 C2S, but much more comfortable with either a 997.1 C2S or a base 997.2. I agree ultimately its his personal preference that would help him decide on the car in the end. But I just thought it'd interesting to see what most 6speeders here would do in his situation? For the same money, would you take an old "S" or a new base model?

 

I would be a bad adviser in this area as I am slowly building up my car from base 997 C2 up to my taste.

If he is up to a new car I think he would be better searching a lot across country and get 997.2 PDK C2S. I just think it is not a good idea to get 'second good' item if you get new car which will not be taken apart any time soon - you will need to enjoy it the way it is. Still, it mostly depends of a person - if he just need a 911 brand car and has no interest in autosport activities - then base DFI C2 engine will be more than adequate power wise, stock C2 brakes are also more then adequate for street driving - so, it sort of makes no sense to overpay for those 'S' features.

On the same note I vote for 997.2 based on interior and exterior upgrades - it is quite a better car inside and out. If person is ready to commit to take this depreciation hit - it is definitely worth to get best new vehicle you can afford. I did not want to buy new car from a general principle perception, 3 year old one has much better value/fun ratio to me. But it`s me. Other people may have different goals.

 

newer for me is always a little better....

 

Just a little correction, the official timing of 997.1 C2S 0-60 mph is 4.6

The only possible problem with the 09s is that there is a complete new engine in the car, I have heard (or read actually on the forum) is that some cars end up having problems with the injectors failing sometimes. They are of course covered in the warranty

PDK is a nice transmission for traffic and track, but I think manual is more traditional and fun

 

I drove PDK car and to my surprise it did not have that usual auto 'elastic' feeling at all. It was very responsive, may be a bit less as direct manual tranny, but very, very similar to it. It did not feel like there is less 'fun' factor there.

And I am positive I will never be able to shift that fast when you hit gas to the floor and rocket car forward. I always mess up 1st to second gear shift, and PDK does it in second fraction speed.

Still, to spend more than twice as much for '09 car with good options than for my '06 car - well, I do not like that idea at all. But to each his own.

 

I would get the 09 non-S 6spd with Sport Chrono and call it a day.

 

In actual tests the 997.1S has done 0-60 in 3.9 in a Road and Track article and to 4.1 sec. for the rest of the mags. I think it would be a drivers race...Car and Driver ran a 4.1 to 60 in the 997.2 PDK (nonS) pretty much equaling what they ran in a 997.1S.

Road and Track ran a 12.3 @ 114.8mph in a 997.1S, Car and Driver ran a 12.5 in the 997.2 (nonS) but different day, different track. I do believe it would be a drivers race.

In a 997.1 Car and Driver ran 0-60 in 4.3 sec. far better than the 4.8 that Porsche rated the car and it broke into the 12's with a 12.8 @ 109mph.

Porsche numbers are always conservative, in the case of the 997.2 though I think alot of it is marketing as the actual difference isn't that great. Some guy on a Mustang Forum took his 997.2S to the track at Atco Raceway and with killer air ran a 12.0@118 mph!!! He was going to post up the video and when he does I will post it up.

Dave

 

Arerrac911,

Your freind needs to test drive a few models before he buys the wrong car.

I would advise him on determining first if he is going to prefer PDK or Manual. If he doesn't have any real driving experience in 911's, then he needs to figure this out first.

Only then should he really get into horsepower, year model, and performance package questions. Good luck with the purchase.

BTW - When can we see a picture of your new car?

 

Thanks again, all good advice. Although I think the base DFI C2 engine is also adequate for autosport activities, with PDK it's still faster than M3 or R8 V8 to 60.

 

You're right, corrected.

The 997.1s may also have problems with the intermediate shaft. I guess at least the newer models will have warranty.

Best motoring of Japan ran a 11.7 with a C2S PDK and 12.1 with a C2 PDK, so the 997.2s are definitely faster. It's on youtube somewhere I will try to find it.