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Old 12-27-2009 | 10:43 AM
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My C2S has the following, and it made the car a lot more responsive and fun to drive. short shifter, feels more mechanical, A.W.E. mufflers, sounds amazing, K&N drop in filter and blocked off resonator, a bit more intake sound, softronic tuning, raises the red line to 7500 rpm and makes the engine come alive, revs faster and pulls strong all the way to the top. Champion RS98 wheels, very light, and they do make a difference in the way the car feels. All in all there is probably not that much gain in hp but the driving experience is much improved. Cats will get you more hp, and I may add them in the future. May also change to a lighter flywheel.
 
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Old 12-27-2009 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by utkinpol
Think twice prior to jumping on GT3. Despite what people like to say (especially people who do not own GT3) - GT3 is a track car. It is not intended for street use. It does not mean you cannot drive it on street, but, again, it was not and is not intended to be your daily driver. So if you look for a GT3 - keep in mind that you will need to buy some nice truck and a trailer as well for your GT3, that`s how it goes around.

If you do plan to use your 911 car on a street on regular basis - buy C2S.
One thing that a dealer pointed to me is that a GT3 is far more stiff than a C2S with PASM on, which means, there will be some shaking.. That eventually will cost one's patience, I guess that's where different opinions come.
In the Durhole-NC area where I lived I believe I could have a GT3 for daily use if I kept to the highways mostly, given that they are much smoother than the concrete roads here in TX.

So, IMHO, the perception of a possible daily driver would come with time and place. I do believe that eventually any 911 owner will think about some softer suspension car after a hard day of commuting (and then forget about it when you hear the engine)... I'm not there yet, hopefully years away, but I think in a GT3 as a daily driver that day would come sooner, at least on the area that I live, with lame roads and concrete highways.

Now, modding is a never ending story but it's very fun, feels like renewing your car a little bit at the time. To make a C2S close enough to a GT3 is probably not a smart move financially speaking, but there are middle grounds to it. Always remembering if you are on a budget, the retail value of a modded car might be quite different to a stock car.
Unless you find a buyer that thinks like yourself, it is more likely to lose everything you put in plus some extra when they think your car was "abused" (god forbid!). In the other hand, the GT3 market is much narrower than a standard 911, one has to wait for a specific GT3 buyer in order to sell. There are pros and cons but regardless of what you do, you will have fun...

I personally went for a 997.2 because my kid still can ride with me on the back seat and I'd rath be with my family (for now) on the weekends instead of going to the track. Once he gets older and can join me to track events, I will probably get a GT3 (or whatever they have at that time) or even a MY 10+ turbo, which seems to b a different machine as well...
 
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Wow, some of you guys have some really cool mods... the other thing about mods is that it's probably more acceptable from a spouse-approval standpoint- although I lean towards not saying anything to her at all

BTW, couple of questions- what are the Bilstein Damptronics, and EVO MS CAI?

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Do a search and find posts started by me in the last 12 or so months. You'll find my complete write ups of 3 cars I've owned in the last 3 years: 2007 C2S stock through modification, 2007 GT3, and now 2009 C2S with modification. To me the only reason to modify any of these cars is for track use. The base C2S is a perfect all-around street machine that needs nothing. The GT3 was a terrible street car no matter what the other say. Can it be driven on the street? Yes. Is it enjoyable to do so, no, not really. Suspension is too hard, car is too low and scraped on everything here in CT (driveways, speed bumps, even off-camber intersection turns), clutch spring was too stiff, etc. On the track, the modified C2S was right up there with the GT3 (1:02 laps at Lime Rock for instance). I had C2S, x51 headers, AWE cats, stock mufflers, Softronic software. You don't need SC as it does nothing, nor do you need a short shifter, though they are nice if that's what you like (but like SC it won't make the car any faster). The 09 C2S is yet another different animal and on the track is equally potent as I have it tweaked as the GT3 was. 400 HP on the GT3, about 400 on my DFI 09 C2S. Sport PASM suspension in the 09 is superior to the 07 GT3, but the ride height is just a little higher so I don't scrape on everything, and there's no front lip to catch either. So the 09 C2S is the "perfect does everything" car. Trumps GT3s on the track, is a very fun and comfortable car on the street.

You sort of have to ask yourself why go through the trouble and expense of changing an 07 C2S if you aren't tracking it? Is it to try to go 0-60 in 3.9 seconds instead of 4.0 seconds?

Now if sound and feel are what you are after and you have the $ to spend, then things like a SSK can be nice, X51 headers and AWE cats are good, and the Softronic makes it all work well together. Needed for a street car? No. Fun? Sure.
 
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Do a search and find posts started by me in the last 12 or so months. You'll find my complete write ups of 3 cars I've owned in the last 3 years: 2007 C2S stock through modification, 2007 GT3, and now 2009 C2S with modification. To me the only reason to modify any of these cars is for track use. The base C2S is a perfect all-around street machine that needs nothing. The GT3 was a terrible street car no matter what the other say. Can it be driven on the street? Yes. Is it enjoyable to do so, no, not really. Suspension is too hard, car is too low and scraped on everything here in CT (driveways, speed bumps, even off-camber intersection turns), clutch spring was too stiff, etc. On the track, the modified C2S was right up there with the GT3 (1:02 laps at Lime Rock for instance). I had C2S, x51 headers, AWE cats, stock mufflers, Softronic software. You don't need SC as it does nothing, nor do you need a short shifter, though they are nice if that's what you like (but like SC it won't make the car any faster). The 09 C2S is yet another different animal and on the track is equally potent as I have it tweaked as the GT3 was. 400 HP on the GT3, about 400 on my DFI 09 C2S. Sport PASM suspension in the 09 is superior to the 07 GT3, but the ride height is just a little higher so I don't scrape on everything, and there's no front lip to catch either. So the 09 C2S is the "perfect does everything" car. Trumps GT3s on the track, is a very fun and comfortable car on the street.

You sort of have to ask yourself why go through the trouble and expense of changing an 07 C2S if you aren't tracking it? Is it to try to go 0-60 in 3.9 seconds instead of 4.0 seconds?

Now if sound and feel are what you are after and you have the $ to spend, then things like a SSK can be nice, X51 headers and AWE cats are good, and the Softronic makes it all work well together. Needed for a street car? No. Fun? Sure.
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Originally Posted by RonCT
Do a search and find posts started by me in the last 12 or so months. You'll find my complete write ups of 3 cars I've owned in the last 3 years: 2007 C2S stock through modification, 2007 GT3, and now 2009 C2S with modification. To me the only reason to modify any of these cars is for track use. The base C2S is a perfect all-around street machine that needs nothing. The GT3 was a terrible street car no matter what the other say. Can it be driven on the street? Yes. Is it enjoyable to do so, no, not really. Suspension is too hard, car is too low and scraped on everything here in CT (driveways, speed bumps, even off-camber intersection turns), clutch spring was too stiff, etc. On the track, the modified C2S was right up there with the GT3 (1:02 laps at Lime Rock for instance). I had C2S, x51 headers, AWE cats, stock mufflers, Softronic software. You don't need SC as it does nothing, nor do you need a short shifter, though they are nice if that's what you like (but like SC it won't make the car any faster). The 09 C2S is yet another different animal and on the track is equally potent as I have it tweaked as the GT3 was. 400 HP on the GT3, about 400 on my DFI 09 C2S. Sport PASM suspension in the 09 is superior to the 07 GT3, but the ride height is just a little higher so I don't scrape on everything, and there's no front lip to catch either. So the 09 C2S is the "perfect does everything" car. Trumps GT3s on the track, is a very fun and comfortable car on the street.

You sort of have to ask yourself why go through the trouble and expense of changing an 07 C2S if you aren't tracking it? Is it to try to go 0-60 in 3.9 seconds instead of 4.0 seconds?

Now if sound and feel are what you are after and you have the $ to spend, then things like a SSK can be nice, X51 headers and AWE cats are good, and the Softronic makes it all work well together. Needed for a street car? No. Fun? Sure.
Makes sense...

I already have mentioned the suspension, the scraping, the clutch in my earlier posts in the thread. They are the drawbacks of driving a GT3 on the street.

Porsche gives all you need for a great street car in the C2S, and it is a great once in a while track car. But if you simply want more juice out of your car you can mod it to your liking. Is it necessary? Not really, but to each is own. Like you and me, we have modded our cars to our liking as well.

I think he is looking for a more raw and brutal feel out of his car, which I understand.
 
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Old 12-27-2009 | 04:27 PM
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BTW, couple of questions- what are the Bilstein Damptronics, and EVO MS CAI?
Evo MS CAI: Cold Air Intake
Bilstein Damptronics: Coilovers
 
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my C2S had cargraphic exhaust, damptronics coil over, porsche ssk, and GT3 wheels w/ p-cups and GT3 aero kit.

my 7GT3 is stock. as wonderful as the C2S was, the 3 is C2S fun x 2.

it feels sharper, lighter, more powerful, more viceral, more planted, more stable at high speed, and an engine note that moves your soul.

the GT cars are very special porsches. get behind the wheel and you will instantly know this is no ordinary pcar. there is more heft in the controls, and it feels ready and wanting to pounce.

its less of a DD than a C2S because the car DEMANDS more involvement, really its hard to just lug this machine around. it wants to be DRIVEN.

ideally, its a pleasure street/track car but still very dd able.

it also drives different because of taller gearing, 1100 more rpm, and 60 more hp. i had to relearn what gear to be in and what to expect when looking at the guages

 
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