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Old 01-31-2010 | 01:32 PM
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Rolex 24 results...

A Cayenne V8 powered DP wins the Rolex 24 overall! This again proves Cayenne is a Porsche too.

911 GT3RSR take the 2nd and 3rd GT positions.
 
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yeah but a Mazda wins it
 
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They were either cups or cup S in the GT class. RSR's don't run in Grand am I believe. A lot of Le mans drivers in the race though. Luhr, Rocky with the overall win, the whole flying lizard team, Magnussen, and I'm sure many more.
 
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GT3 Cups not RSR's and that Cayenne powerplant was ripped down to pieces and completely re-done. So not really a Porsche engine anymore but nice to have the win anyway
 
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Originally Posted by adias
A Cayenne V8 powered DP wins the Rolex 24 overall! This again proves Cayenne is a Porsche too.
The engine is but I was never so sure about the body. Don't mind me, I hate SUV's no matter who's badge is on it.

Some of you may recall that before I got my 911 I drove Mazda sports cars for the last 25 years. I had two RX-7's, a 1985 GS and a 1988 Turbo II. After that I had a 1994 MX-5 Miata which I drove up until last spring when I finally had saved up enough cash to order the 911. I am happy to see that Mazda is still enjoying success in motorsports.
 
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Old 01-31-2010 | 05:16 PM
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The engine is but I was never so sure about the body. Don't mind me, I hate SUV's no matter who's badge is on it.
If I am not mistaken all DP series cars use the same type of body - they all look very similar. The various teams use different engines. Brumos had the same chassis and a Porsche flat6, this team had a Cayenne V8.

All racing engines are modified. Of course that was not a stock Cayenne V8. It still qualifies as a Porsche win.

My mistake re the GT cars not being RSRs. They almost won. The Mazda and the Camaro are very modified cars. They are far more distant from production cars than the Cup racing here is from the production GT3.
 
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The body styles differ between the chassis maker for the DP cars.

The Porsche Cayanne engine is bored out to 5.0L and lost of internal changes

The Porsche 6cyl engine in the Brumos cars is 4.0L RSR engine for the most part.

The GT class Porsche are a GT Cup not a RSR.
 
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Congrats to TRG for taking 2nd and 3rd in the GT class.
 
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ok this will gimme a chance to ask a few questions:
1. why only 2 classes, DP and GT?
2. where are the other names, like Audi, Renault, Peugot, etc?
 
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ok this will gimme a chance to ask a few questions:
1. why only 2 classes, DP and GT?
2. where are the other names, like Audi, Renault, Peugot, etc?
The race started as a open event in the 60's and transformed to different types of vehicles. It floundered in the early 80's and IMSA GT's bailed it out basically. This put the GT cars into the race. In the 90's IMSA struggled and merged with Grand Am. So the simple picture is these 2 series saved it's bacon. Grand Am Daytona Prototypes (DP) were introduced in the early 2000's to cut racing costs for teams with simpler cars and a A typical type racecar. So DP's and GT's run along side each other these days.
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ALMS still captures all the big car names with it's more extensive road racing program in the states and my true feeling of Daytona is it's turned into a Gimic race for big names from other sports to compete for fun in the early season. Kind of a PGA tour Celebrity Scramble. I watched it because I love racing and it was raining yesterday am but I'd still rather watch the 12hrs or 24hrs races like Sebring and Lemans over them. Lemans captures the essence of World road racing a lot more imho

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Interesting to note that Porsche refused to sanction the use of the Cayenne V8 for racing and is totally unlikely to claim any credit for this win. The Cayenne derived V8 is apparently 30 lbs. heavier than the 4.0 flat 6 and has a higher center of gravity. My guess is the torque advantage is such on certain circuits that the V8 can become more attractive.

Porsche has always handicapped the V8 even back to the days when it wouldn't support 928 race teams.

Personally, I like the principle of their attitude b/c it preserves the most significant element of what defines a porsche - a boxer engine behind the driver. But competition is paramount and a solution may be needed to reconcile these differences. How about bringing back the flat 8 or 12 from the heydays of the 908/917!! Without a production car to put it in, it would probably be too expensive for private teams to run perhaps.

In regard to this V8 vs. flat 6 debate, keep an eye out for how the rumored Panamera coupe will stack up to to the new 968 (the next gen 997 if I have that right).

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actually it much clearer, especially w/ the golf analogy

why wasnt the Rs spyder used?

i just dont understand why theres so many series/classes etc.
I say put'em all together; F1,Indy, Lehmans, GT, Nascar, Truck, et al!!!!
 

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Interesting to note that Porsche refused to sanction the use of the Cayenne V8 for racing and is totally unlikely to claim any credit for this win. The Cayenne derived V8 is apparently 30 lbs. heavier than the 4.0 flat 6 and has a higher center of gravity. My guess is the torque advantage is such on certain circuits that the V8 can become more attractive.

Porsche has always handicapped the V8 even back to the days when it wouldn't support 928 race teams.

Personally, I like the principle of their attitude b/c it preserves the most significant element of what defines a porsche - a boxer engine behind the driver. But competition is paramount and a solution may be needed to reconcile these differences. How about bringing back the flat 8 or 12 from the heydays of the 908/917!! Without a production car to put it in, it would probably be too expensive for private teams to run perhaps.

In regard to this V8 vs. flat 6 debate, keep an eye out for how the rumored Panamera coupe will stack up to to the new 968 (the next gen 997 if I have that right).

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its actually on Porsche.com home page.
also whats the big deal about a v8? they use it in the rs spyder. here:

http://www.porsche.com/usa/eventsand...ogyandconcept/
 
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its actually on Porsche.com home page.
also whats the big deal about a v8? they use it in the rs spyder. here:

http://www.porsche.com/usa/eventsand...ogyandconcept/
oops. My bad. I had read that Porsche refused to sanction the Cayenne V8 for racing in 2007 when it was first presented and when I checked the website last night, there was no mention of the Daytona win. Thanks for the correction.

I'm not familiar with the regulations that the Spyder races under (P2 I believe) so I can't comment on the use of that engine? But I do believe there is proof than at a desire still exists on a corporate level to protect the future and image of the flat 6 for racing, which in turn means favoring it to some degree over V8 layouts.

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