working a deal on a cab
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03-03-2010 | 11:55 AM
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It all depends on how important the slate/natural brown combo is for you. I agree that a '07 911S Cab, CPO, 12K miles, with a clean DME/carfax, Bose, Nav, Chrono, Center Console, etc might be about $60-62K (say in silver or black), but the uniqueness of the Slate/Nat Brown is definitely worth something. Last winter (Feb 2009) when looking for a '07 C2S, I could NOT find the 2 colors I really wanted- Atlas and Slate- in a low mile, one owner, well-equipped, CPO-ed example; they were mostly Silver or Black. Although I ultimately paid high 50's for my silver one, I would have gladly forked over another 5K for a more unique combination - like Atlas/Nat Grey or Slate/Nat Brown, and ultimately, "settling" for the silver in part led my trading it in last month.
So if you think this car is a keeper, the extra $3-5K is definitely worth it in the long term if you're in love with the color combo. However, if you might trade it in 9 months from now, it's probably not something you'll recoup in that short a time-
So if you think this car is a keeper, the extra $3-5K is definitely worth it in the long term if you're in love with the color combo. However, if you might trade it in 9 months from now, it's probably not something you'll recoup in that short a time-
i am considering
1- to stay firm on my price and move on.. and see what happens (taking a chance that the car NOT will not sell right away)
2- just pay the few grand difference and enjoy the car now..
i havent seen the DME myself, but the fleet manager tells me there are no over-rev 3 or 4
what to do??
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03-03-2010 | 11:57 AM
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Sub4, damn- i just lost a long answer responding to your last post- stupid laptop. Bottom line, if you're the type of guy who notices / cares about the "cosmetics" of your car, and it's something you're going to keep for awhile, definitely wait for and pay a little extra for the color you want. When buying my '07 C2S in Feb 2009, I just couldn't wait, got all caught up in the "fever" of getting my first 911, and landed an otherwise pristine CPO'ed Arctic/Blk, which was perfect in all other ways except for color and non-full leather. While silver looks great, it just didn't "pop" for me and I had my heart set on Atlas, GT Silver, or Slate + Full leather (preferably natural gray). Perused national dealer inventories for 3 weeks and just gave up, although have come across several since that time. After the first month, I still enjoyed driving the car but always kept wishing that I had waited a little longer and paid a little more for the right color/leather combo- to the point I inquired about trading in my car for an Atlas one vs possibly repainting it and installing full leather interior trim.
In retrospect, I would definitely wait for the right one, unless you're looking for some paint-to-sample example (like maritime or mexico blue) in which case you might as well just order one or buy some special glasses that makes a silver car look the way you want it. You don't want to plunk down $55-60K and think "man, I wish it was a different color". The extra wait and $3-5K (over years of ownership) is absolutely worth it-
In retrospect, I would definitely wait for the right one, unless you're looking for some paint-to-sample example (like maritime or mexico blue) in which case you might as well just order one or buy some special glasses that makes a silver car look the way you want it. You don't want to plunk down $55-60K and think "man, I wish it was a different color". The extra wait and $3-5K (over years of ownership) is absolutely worth it-
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03-03-2010 | 01:32 PM
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CC: When it comes to buying a car of this price, please get what you want ...all the advice you get here is great but in the end each car, dealer, territory is different. Let not 2 or 3 K make a difference into getting a car that you may not entirely satisfy you. I ONLY got 16.5 K off when everyone here was getting 18 to 20 K off...
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...54-newbie.html
I wanted all that extra fluff that my car had (Porsche colored crest on the wheel, seats, aluminium colored shifter/handbrake lever and deviated stitching), and adaptive seats. I am so glad I went for it looking back now after several months. There is never going to be any if's and but's for me as far as my car is concerned.
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...54-newbie.html
I wanted all that extra fluff that my car had (Porsche colored crest on the wheel, seats, aluminium colored shifter/handbrake lever and deviated stitching), and adaptive seats. I am so glad I went for it looking back now after several months. There is never going to be any if's and but's for me as far as my car is concerned.
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03-03-2010 | 01:57 PM
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that is what i am leaning towards right now... x)
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03-03-2010 | 03:55 PM
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Make sure "YOU" do see the DME. I'm sure the manager is being honest here but always see for yourself (and note the date when the DME was done).
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03-03-2010 | 04:02 PM
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no paperwork will be signed until i am completely satisfied !
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03-03-2010 | 05:10 PM
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From what I have heard/seen I would be even surprised if the manager really knew what "range 3 or 4" really meant. I love this stuff! Check the date of the scan and see if it is after when the manager talked to you. When I checked out my car, the PPI dealership simpy faxed me the scan!
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03-03-2010 | 05:38 PM
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From what I have heard/seen I would be even surprised if the manager really knew what "range 3 or 4" really meant. I love this stuff! Check the date of the scan and see if it is after when the manager talked to you. When I checked out my car, the PPI dealership simpy faxed me the scan!
he didn't...he had to go to the mechanic to find out.
i will double check the date when i go to the dealership on sat.
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03-03-2010 | 05:40 PM
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by the way, i ve been reading about RMS /IMS related problems, but still unclear on what it is and how it is caused..
and the only way for me to check it is with a visual inspection? am i looking for leaks ?
thx in adv
and the only way for me to check it is with a visual inspection? am i looking for leaks ?
thx in adv
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03-03-2010 | 07:02 PM
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You can check for leaks, but there's no way to tell if there will be an issue in advance. Similar to a clutch, it is impossible to check for "wear". Most of the RMS leaks occur in cars that are not driven regularly or that much.
That's funny about the manager. I love it... Now how did I know that...
That's funny about the manager. I love it... Now how did I know that...
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03-03-2010 | 07:53 PM
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CC- hard to tell if the pricing advice you've received so far (ie low 60's) applies to the "average" silver/blk '07 C2S Cab w/CPO + your options + clean DME or if it applies to your unique, more desirable color combo. If so, I think it's reasonable to say that if the average silver/non full leather combo = 61-62K, then yours is worth perhaps 65K (at least to me); by the same token, I wouldn't pay 3K less (or any amount, really) for a Yellow one just because it was cheaper.
I completely agree with W00TPorsche- get what you want, unless you're really up against a hard price cap. Unless this is a short term purchase, don't get too caught up in the "did I get the best deal possible" esp. for a car like this. Get the car you want- I don't think many of us look back and say, "Man, I regret shelling out the extra $5K for my favorite color, full leather, PSE, Nav, adaptive, fave wheels, whatever"- in fact, I think many more would say that they regret NOT spending a little more to get those little details that makes their car "perfect"!
So going back to your original post- if the pricing advice that Larry and Co. (61-62K) is for the more common color combos without full leather, then I would definitely pay 64-65K for the perfect, CPO'ed, low mileage, clean DME, one owner in slate/nat brown. However, if they're saying that a sil/blk one is 57-58K and yours is 61-62K, then it's much harder to say that throwing down ANOTHER 3-4K on top of that is worth it-
I completely agree with W00TPorsche- get what you want, unless you're really up against a hard price cap. Unless this is a short term purchase, don't get too caught up in the "did I get the best deal possible" esp. for a car like this. Get the car you want- I don't think many of us look back and say, "Man, I regret shelling out the extra $5K for my favorite color, full leather, PSE, Nav, adaptive, fave wheels, whatever"- in fact, I think many more would say that they regret NOT spending a little more to get those little details that makes their car "perfect"!
So going back to your original post- if the pricing advice that Larry and Co. (61-62K) is for the more common color combos without full leather, then I would definitely pay 64-65K for the perfect, CPO'ed, low mileage, clean DME, one owner in slate/nat brown. However, if they're saying that a sil/blk one is 57-58K and yours is 61-62K, then it's much harder to say that throwing down ANOTHER 3-4K on top of that is worth it-
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03-03-2010 | 09:13 PM
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997 C2S C4S pricing
I am jumping into the fray and looking for an 06 or 07 C2S or C4S. I can't even figure out how to do some comparable (and reasonable) price shopping? How do you guys arrive at your estimates?
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03-03-2010 | 09:18 PM
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2) I look at Kbb
3) I talk to other forum members and read posts.
4) I bounce the ideas friends --some who own Porsvhe --othes who want to buy the car.
5) I have bought 9 Porsches --I review my previous depreciation rate .. as well as things which were told to me when I went to trade in or sell my car.
6) I talk to guys in sales and service .
7) I compare what others have said based in their region.
I do a little guessing.
How's that ?