bilstein pss10 b16
#2
04-01-2010, 09:26 AM
Former Vendor
Is your car equipped with PASM? Keep in mind, the B16 and the PSS10 are two different systems.
The B16 Damptronic is designed to work with your factory PASM sport button. It basically has 2 settings, sport and non-sport.
The PSS10 is designed to work on cars NOT equipped with factory PASM. The PSS10 feature 10 way externally adjustable dampers. The adjustment is done on the shocks themselves.
The B16 Damptronic is designed to work with your factory PASM sport button. It basically has 2 settings, sport and non-sport.
The PSS10 is designed to work on cars NOT equipped with factory PASM. The PSS10 feature 10 way externally adjustable dampers. The adjustment is done on the shocks themselves.
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04-01-2010, 05:19 PM
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Is your car equipped with PASM? Keep in mind, the B16 and the PSS10 are two different systems.
The B16 Damptronic is designed to work with your factory PASM sport button. It basically has 2 settings, sport and non-sport.
The PSS10 is designed to work on cars NOT equipped with factory PASM. The PSS10 feature 10 way externally adjustable dampers. The adjustment is done on the shocks themselves.
The B16 Damptronic is designed to work with your factory PASM sport button. It basically has 2 settings, sport and non-sport.
The PSS10 is designed to work on cars NOT equipped with factory PASM. The PSS10 feature 10 way externally adjustable dampers. The adjustment is done on the shocks themselves.
Thanks for the reply, my car is a 997.2 with chrono pack and PDK, would the B16's fit?
#5
04-01-2010, 08:16 PM
If you check the Bilstein brochure it lists one product category as the B16 - PSS9/PSS10 system.
If you look on Tire Rack's website they offer two versions of PSS10 - one for vehicles with PASM and one for vehicles without.
Bilstein PSS10 Coil-Over Kit
*For vehicles WITHOUT PASM** Porsche ACTIVE Stablity Mmgt
Manufacturer Part #: F4-GM5-D588-H0
For models w/PASM only.
Manufacturer Part #: F4-GA5-D581-H0
This is true
#6
04-02-2010, 06:56 AM
Is your car equipped with PASM? Keep in mind, the B16 and the PSS10 are two different systems.
The B16 Damptronic is designed to work with your factory PASM sport button. It basically has 2 settings, sport and non-sport.
The PSS10 is designed to work on cars NOT equipped with factory PASM. The PSS10 feature 10 way externally adjustable dampers. The adjustment is done on the shocks themselves.
The B16 Damptronic is designed to work with your factory PASM sport button. It basically has 2 settings, sport and non-sport.
The PSS10 is designed to work on cars NOT equipped with factory PASM. The PSS10 feature 10 way externally adjustable dampers. The adjustment is done on the shocks themselves.
I've not seen a full explanation of PASM on here before so I thought this might be of interest. There's so much more to it than 'soft' or 'hard' damping. It's very clever, technically, monitoring several variables and altering the damping individually on each corner. Here's the full explanation from from the Porsche Tech Manual on how it works:
PASM selects the required damper hardness for each individual wheel from a precisely co-ordinated map in both the Normal and the Sport programme. The possible damper settings range from comfortable to decidedly sporty. Both programmes, which overlap slightly in some areas, are additionally superimposed with five special software modules to provide the optimum damper settings for every driving condition.
The system automatically selects the appropriate damper hardness based on the PASM programme selected and the driving condition identified. The Normal programme offers comfortable settings with low damper forces. Special control algorithms in the PASM software modules enable the chassis to offer greater active driving safety in extreme driving situations, even with the Normal programme. To increase driving safety at higher speeds, the dampers are automatically switched to a harder damper setting as speed increases. The dampers switch to a hard characteristic when Sport mode is activated. This offers superior agility and excellent steering precision on uneven surfaces. If the system detects an uneven driving surface in Sport mode, it immediately switches to a softer characteristic to improve contact with the road surface. PASM selects the optimum damper setting for this softer characteristic from the Sport map.
Since extremely hard damping is not always the ideal solution in every driving situation (depending on the driving surface, the vehicle may start to bounce or shift), the intentional overlap between the Normal and Sport maps allows a noticeably soft setting to be selected if necessary. The customer gets an “active sports chassis” which automatically responds to the actual road surface and switches from a hard, sporty damping setting to a comfortable range as necessary. PASM switches back to the original characteristic as soon as the road surface is smooth enough.
The following is a detailed description of the five software modules overlapping Normal and Sport mode.
Lane-change module
The damper forces at both axles are immediately increased in response to rapid steering movements, for example sudden evasive manoeuvres. This reduces body tilt and instability, thereby significantly improving vehicle control even in extreme situations.
Vertical-control module
In the Normal programme, the damper force is increased as soon as the vertical movement of the body, for example when driving over uneven surfaces, rises over a specific threshold value. This prevents body instability and therefore woolly driving behaviour. In the Sport programme, the damping is slightly reduced automatically to improve contact between the road and the wheels as body movements increase. This also results in a noticeable increase in comfort.
Lateral-acceleration module
If specific, speed-dependent thresholds for lateral acceleration are exceeded when cornering in the Normal programme, the damper force is increased by different, defined amounts for each side of the vehicle. This prevents vehicle instability and significantly increases driving precision. In the event of large vertical movements and high lateral acceleration coinciding, the higher of the vertical-control and lateral-acceleration damping values is set. This happens if, for example, the damping in the Sport programme was previously decreased by the vertical-control module.
Brake module
PASM switches to harder damping at the start of a braking operation to reduce vehicle nose-dive when braking. This way, higher brake forces can be transmitted to the road faster. It switches back to a softer setting (this setting is different for the front and rear axle) after a specific amount of time. The result is improved road contact, and thus a shorter braking distance, particularly when braking on uneven surfaces.
PASM switches to harder damping at the start of a braking operation to reduce vehicle nose-dive when braking. This way, higher brake forces can be transmitted to the road faster. It switches back to a softer setting (this setting is different for the front and rear axle) after a specific amount of time. The result is improved road contact, and thus a shorter braking distance, particularly when braking on uneven surfaces.
Load-change module
The damper characteristics for the front and rear axle are individually switched when accelerating heavily, releasing the throttle or changing lanes. In Normal mode, the dampers are briefly switched to a harder damping setting in these driving conditions. This avoids excessive lifting or diving at the front of the vehicle (“pitching”). In Sport mode, a softer damper characteristic is briefly
selected if necessary to improve traction when accelerating, particularly on uneven surfaces.
The damper characteristics for the front and rear axle are individually switched when accelerating heavily, releasing the throttle or changing lanes. In Normal mode, the dampers are briefly switched to a harder damping setting in these driving conditions. This avoids excessive lifting or diving at the front of the vehicle (“pitching”). In Sport mode, a softer damper characteristic is briefly
selected if necessary to improve traction when accelerating, particularly on uneven surfaces.
Components
The PASM system comprises the following components:
• Four dampers with continuously adjustable damping force (each with one bypass valve)
• PASM control module
• Two acceleration sensors for detecting vertical movement of the body (one at the damper dome at the front right and one at the rear left). Further signals such as lateral acceleration, steering angle, travel speed, brake pressure, engine torque, etc. are read in via the CAN bus.
• One button for selecting the programme (Normal or Sport)
The system measures body movements via one acceleration sensor on each axle (front and rear). Values such as lateral acceleration, steering wheel angle, vehicle speed and information on possible braking operations are provided by the PSM via the CAN bus. Engine rpm and torque values are provided by the Motronic via the CAN bus.
• Four dampers with continuously adjustable damping force (each with one bypass valve)
• PASM control module
• Two acceleration sensors for detecting vertical movement of the body (one at the damper dome at the front right and one at the rear left). Further signals such as lateral acceleration, steering angle, travel speed, brake pressure, engine torque, etc. are read in via the CAN bus.
• One button for selecting the programme (Normal or Sport)
The system measures body movements via one acceleration sensor on each axle (front and rear). Values such as lateral acceleration, steering wheel angle, vehicle speed and information on possible braking operations are provided by the PSM via the CAN bus. Engine rpm and torque values are provided by the Motronic via the CAN bus.
#7
04-02-2010, 09:51 AM
Former Vendor
Based on what I've seen this is not true
If you check the Bilstein brochure it lists one product category as the B16 - PSS9/PSS10 system.
If you look on Tire Rack's website they offer two versions of PSS10 - one for vehicles with PASM and one for vehicles without.
Bilstein PSS10 Coil-Over Kit
*For vehicles WITHOUT PASM** Porsche ACTIVE Stablity Mmgt
Manufacturer Part #: F4-GM5-D588-H0
For models w/PASM only.
Manufacturer Part #: F4-GA5-D581-H0
If you check the Bilstein brochure it lists one product category as the B16 - PSS9/PSS10 system.
If you look on Tire Rack's website they offer two versions of PSS10 - one for vehicles with PASM and one for vehicles without.
Bilstein PSS10 Coil-Over Kit
*For vehicles WITHOUT PASM** Porsche ACTIVE Stablity Mmgt
Manufacturer Part #: F4-GM5-D588-H0
For models w/PASM only.
Manufacturer Part #: F4-GA5-D581-H0
Now, that being said, Bilstein realized that their naming system was causing some confusion, and people were ending up getting the wrong suspension when they called asking for PSS10 Damptronics. They were getting 10 way externally adjustable coilovers rather then the PASM compatible units. So, knowing that people were already getting confused, they went ahead and just very recently renamed the B16 Damptronics to the "PSS Damptronic".
The problem is that so many vendors use different names, that no one's sure which is true. That's why I think Bilstein sort of simplified the naming. So now it's simple....they're both PSS....only difference is if you want PSS-10 (10 way externally adjsutable), or PSS-Damptronic (PASM compatible).
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#8
04-02-2010, 09:53 AM
Former Vendor
Both the PSS10's and PSS Damptronics will fit. They deciding factor will be whether or not you want to retain the use of the PASM system, or disable PASM and adjust the shocks externally.
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