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Old 07-13-2010 | 08:58 AM
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Glad to see there were no injuries and that the damage was extremely minor. In the end, it's just a car and will be as good as new.
 

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Old 07-13-2010 | 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by NorthVan
A $300 body work bill will lower the value of a car, wow there are some picky people out there.

There are as there are in this forum. We always advise a new buyer to get a PPI.

A proper PPI should have a paint meter reading test and that can tell if any panel has been painted. If yes, the value goes down. Maybe not allot, but it will go down.

More and more people go after diminshed value after an accident.
 
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Old 07-13-2010 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by buckwheat986
There are as there are in this forum. We always advise a new buyer to get a PPI.

A proper PPI should have a paint meter reading test and that can tell if any panel has been painted. If yes, the value goes down. Maybe not allot, but it will go down.

More and more people go after diminshed value after an accident.
With the proper documentation and the photo's a small amount of damage like this wouldn't stop me from moving forward on the purchase of a car. Personally I think if anyone tries to make a big deal out of something this small, then I think that there is something wrong with that person. Don't get me wrong, nobody wants to get a car that has been damaged, but lets face it this is very minor.

I know all about getting my car damaged, as my first 997 was rear ended by a garbage truck, it had $30,000 in damage and my insurance company fixed it. I never drove the car again, instead I bought my current car, and sold the 1st car after it spent 5 months in the body shop. I took a $25,000 hit on the value do to the major accident, and after dealing with this one, I came to realize it is just a car, and it can be replaced. The damage that Larry's car took is minor and should have any bearing on the value of a car. Obviously my thoughts are shared by others.

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Glad to see there were no injuries and that the damage was extremely minor. In the end, it's just a car and will be as good as new.
 
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Old 07-13-2010 | 09:35 AM
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I agree with Ed.......
I use to work in a port WHERE new cars came in off the boat and out of 1,000 cars 10 would need some kind of paint work....

Marine damage,water damage,dings,dents or even full on hits...alot worse than posted by the OP.
YES all these cars got painted in the bodyshop,and would never be told to the person who had the car ordered!
If it was frame damage it had to be declared and sold as a 'B' car(demo)...if the panel could be unbolted,painted and replaced....it was considered fine!
I would love to know how many of our cars sustained some sort of damage along the way.....you may even be driving one and paid full price for it!

IMO..when fixed CORRECTLY(key word correctly),a small repair like that will NOT depreciate the car.....
NOW IF it is a major hit...that IS a different story!
I think too many people read too much into these small repairs......

Just my $.02,


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Old 07-13-2010 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by justatoy
I agree with Ed.......
I use to work in a port WHERE new cars came in off the boat and out of 1,000 cars 10 would need some kind of paint work....

Marine damage,water damage,dings,dents or even full on hits...alot worse than posted by the OP.
YES all these cars got painted in the bodyshop,and would never be told to the person who had the car ordered!
If it was frame damage it had to be declared and sold as a 'B' car(demo)...if the panel could be unbolted,painted and replaced....it was considered fine!
I would love to know how many of our cars sustained some sort of damage along the way.....you may even be driving one and paid full price for it!

IMO..when fixed CORRECTLY(key word correctly),a small repair like that will NOT depreciate the car.....
NOW IF it is a major hit...that IS a different story!
I think too many people read too much into these small repairs......

Just my $.02,


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As I said, it depends if the damage is disclosed or not. I read forum pieces where people who have refused cars because they found out about damage caused at the port.

Its all about whats known about the car and what a buyer will tolerate.

I would not buy a used porsche without a paint meter reading. No matter what the damage was caused by if a panel is repainted I would ask for a discount. The amount of the discount would depend on the cause of the damage and this is where pictures would help as mentioned above.
 
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Old 07-13-2010 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by NorthVan
With the proper documentation and the photo's a small amount of damage like this wouldn't stop me from moving forward on the purchase of a car. Personally I think if anyone tries to make a big deal out of something this small, then I think that there is something wrong with that person. Don't get me wrong, nobody wants to get a car that has been damaged, but lets face it this is very minor.

I know all about getting my car damaged, as my first 997 was rear ended by a garbage truck, it had $30,000 in damage and my insurance company fixed it. I never drove the car again, instead I bought my current car, and sold the 1st car after it spent 5 months in the body shop. I took a $25,000 hit on the value do to the major accident, and after dealing with this one, I came to realize it is just a car, and it can be replaced. The damage that Larry's car took is minor and should have any bearing on the value of a car. Obviously my thoughts are shared by others.
Yep, accidents suck and I've had my share. I owned an M5 for a little over 2 moths before I was t-boned and the car was totaled. At the time, I was devastated. Since then some things have happened in my life where I now have ZERO emotional attachment to material objects. Bring on the paint chips.
 

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Old 07-13-2010 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by sizquik
Yep, accidents suck and I've had my share. I owned an M5 for a little over 2 moths before I was t-boned and the car was totaled. At the time, I was devastated. Since then some things have happened in my life where I now have ZERO emotional attachment to material objects. Bring on the paint chips.
I am right there with you, it is just a car, and thanks to the Industrial Revolution there is another one, better, faster, stronger waiting for you and your money to be parted.
 
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Old 07-13-2010 | 12:47 PM
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I am right there with you, it is just a car...
You never wash your car, now I know why.
 
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Old 07-13-2010 | 12:48 PM
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I am right there with you, it is just a car, and thanks to the Industrial Revolution there is another one, better, faster, stronger waiting for you and your money to be parted.
For me it's not the money that ,atters most -- it's looking at the car and knowing it's been tainted.

The financial aspect goes like this --
A painted panel with the photographs of a scratch like mine is about 1500 less in trade . Two pained panels woud be 3K .
The more damage the worse it is but the absolute worst is structural damage which my car does not have. If a car had gaps and paint .. kiss at least 10K off --maybe more .

I leased a car with a painted panel once and got a lower price but it was a short term lease . I would never buy a new car with paint -dealerships do have to disclose it and in the case of the BMW 330i I had leased years ago they did disclose it in writing before I signed the papers .

Remember I had gotten my car appraised on a Gt3RS . I wold expect about 1500K less in trade. The key thing I am also doing is getting it fixed at the dealership .. this way if I ever trade it .. it was fixed by them .

If i sell it privately --I have pictures and documentation that every effort was made to bring the car as close as possible to perfect and it is otherwise pristine .

Being honest and giving disclosure lays out all the cards face up . Most used shoppers really dislkie doubts more than looking at the facts and being informed.
 

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You never wash your car, now I know why.
It was clean on Saturday
 
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Old 07-13-2010 | 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by yrralis1
For me it's not the money that ,atters most -- it's looking at the car and knowing it's been tainted.

The financial aspect goes like this --
A painted panel with the photographs of a scratch like mine is about 1500 less in trade . Two pained panels woud be 3K .
The more damage the worse it is but the absolute worst is structural damage which my car does not have. If a car had gaps and paint .. kiss at least 10K off --maybe more .

I leased a car with a painted panel once and got a lower price but it was a short term lease . I would never buy a new car with paint -dealerships do have to disclose it and in the case of the BMW 330i I had leased years ago they did disclose it in writing before I signed the papers .

Remember I had gotten my car appraised on a Gt3RS . I wold expect about 1500K less in trade. The key thing I am also doing is getting it fixed at the dealership .. this way if I ever trade it .. it was fixed by them .

If i sell it privately --I have pictures and documentation that every effort was made to bring the car as close as possible to perfect and it is otherwise pristine .

Being honest and giving disclosure lays out all the cards face up . Most used shoppers really dislkie doubts more than looking at the facts and being informed.
A $1500 dollar discount for $300 in paint work, let me know when you trade your car in, I want an easy $3000 savings as the door and front fender were both damaged! Larry, you can't tell me that you will be OK with a $3000 reduction due to some minor damage.
 
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Originally Posted by justatoy
IMO..when fixed CORRECTLY(key word correctly),a small repair like that will NOT depreciate the car.....
NOW IF it is a major hit...that IS a different story!
I think too many people read too much into these small repairs......
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passenger door on my car was repainted - it had a hard impact with a shopping cart and seller showed me photos of prior/post damage.
work was done in best RI shop and paint meter does not show anything.
paint is totally same even under direct sun in polarized sunglasses.

it just had to be done right. same thing was doen to my lexus - they repainted door and partially fenders and rear door, everything is invisible.

they just say as they do not bake this new paint as hard as stock paint - one should be more careful, but paint compound on new porsches is sh$tty anyway compared to what it was before so i guess it does not matter.
 
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Old 07-13-2010 | 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by NorthVan
A $1500 dollar discount for $300 in paint work, let me know when you trade your car in, I want an easy $3000 savings as the door and front fender were both damaged! Larry, you can't tell me that you will be OK with a $3000 reduction due to some minor damage.
front fender isn't painted . Dent specialists save 100 percent of the car's original value. The door would count =1500.
 
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Old 07-13-2010 | 09:58 PM
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Larry, really...this small dent will not matter when you go to sell or trade in your car. I am positive you will have it fixed correctly and no one will be able to tell. Not saying that for you not to tell anyone..but I would not tell the dealer when I go to trade in the car.

I had a dent like this on my 2003 BMW 740i...traded the car in and never said a word and the dealer looked everything up and never said a word and I doubt they ever new or now one will ever know.

You car is not "tainted" it's just a 09 Carrera S...how many of these cars have been built...no real biggy...not a collectors car and this ding will not devalue the car.

OR....

erase - erase - erace- yes Larry the car is now tainted...it's worth 1/2 the value so now you can take it to the track and not feel bad...yeah that's it.....sign up and request me as your instructor! ;-)
 
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Old 07-13-2010 | 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by mdrums
Larry, really...this small dent will not matter when you go to sell or trade in your car. I am positive you will have it fixed correctly and no one will be able to tell. Not saying that for you not to tell anyone..but I would not tell the dealer when I go to trade in the car.

I had a dent like this on my 2003 BMW 740i...traded the car in and never said a word and the dealer looked everything up and never said a word and I doubt they ever new or now one will ever know.

You car is not "tainted" it's just a 09 Carrera S...how many of these cars have been built...no real biggy...not a collectors car and this ding will not devalue the car.

OR....

erase - erase - erace- yes Larry the car is now tainted...it's worth 1/2 the value so now you can take it to the track and not feel bad...yeah that's it.....sign up and request me as your instructor! ;-)

LOL --The dent is not the issue once it's removed . That also applies to dings . any paintless dent removal is considered zero depreciation.

Paint --on the other hand is not as well received -especially if there's overspray .

The worst case scenario obviously is a severlerely damaged or flooded car .. but even one small painted panel on a structurally sound car will diminish value a little . But then again so will other things .
I would rather buy a car with a painted door than one which has crumbs on the floor, or ashes in the ash tray , or swil marks from car washes .

Even though the car is "tainted" I try to keep the car as healthy as it can be for as long as I have it .
 


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