Based on independent dyno runs it appears that Nissan isn't padding the numbers. Most show between 410 and 425 whp depending on the dyno being used. I think the combination of a sophisticated all wheel drive system and the DCT are big reasons the GT-R performs so well between 0 and about 120. Above 120 the big horsepower cars will take it to the Nissan. Luckily for us GT-R owners and extra 75whp comes pretty cheap.

I spent last week test driving a number of 997.2s with my dad who is thinking about upgrading from his '03 996. The 997 is an impressive car, but I didn't come away thinking the interior was leaps and bounds ahead of the Nissan. Granted, none of the cars we drove had full leather so that might be part of it. I definitely like the alacantera headliner in the 997 though. Please understand that this is coming from a guy who is saving his pennies to get into a 997.2 when I'm done having fun with Godzilla.

 

GTR is wicked fast, wicked fun and clearly faster than most 911's. It may not have the panache of Porsche but park both cars into a parking lot and see who gravitates towards the 911; not many. What sold me on the 911 over GT-R was the long term reliability and maintenance costs. Personally, I would never, never, never buy a used GT-R. But I would definitely buy a new one.

It is "just a Nissan" and that is important to some people. This is the same argument I've heard from colleagues who are interested in the Lexus LF-A. At the end of the day, would you rather have your valet pull up in your Lexus or Ferrari? This is hard to understand to (probably) most of us gearhead types. But for folks who buy $40,000 worth of Louis Vuitton luggage... Image matters. This is also why I'm suspect that Hyundai will succeed with the Equus that they will pull customers away from 7 Series and S classes (didn't VW learn this with Phaeton?).

GT-R is a great car if you're not a badge snob, there are just many hidden costs in GT-R ownership.

 

I don't agree with the fact that people would not move to look at the 911 over the gt-r. I was at preminer getting my front bar and they had a new gt-r and the new 997 turbo. I checked the gt-r out for a bit cause you don't see too many on the road but....heck I almost ate lunch checking out the turbo...maybe I'm bias but I'll take turbo.....plus the the gt-r looks wise yuck!

 

I haven't even sat in one, I am just relaying the info. I agree they can drive, but I don't think that it is as enjoyable to drive, of course this is just my interpretation of someone other then my own opinion.

I think they are amazing how a car as big and heavy seems so easy to throw around a track.

 

so amazed ...not one comment about 110MPH on the street? ...in morning rush hour??

oh wait, not rennlist

 

i respectfully disagree . The GtR will cream a 997S in every way off the line or roll --even bone stock. The 997S driver ought not even try.

In fact a 997.1tt will also lose if both are stock --or at best it will be very close. the 997.2tt will beat the Gtr.

It gets more intersesting when they are modded . An Evt700 will pull a stock GtR and leave that GtR driver thinking he was in reverse. whether it's on a dig or on a roll .. the stock GtR can not compete with a modded Turbo.

 

I never said anything about a 997s, as it would have no chance against a GT-R.

As far as the 997.1 TT, stock to stock they are almost identical in the 1/4 mile, but the Porsche pulls harder up top as the distance increases. Click the link I posted in post #8 of this thread.

Modded, it comes down to whoever has the best mods and is making the most power.

I have to laugh at the guys saying it's just a "Nissan". Those are typically the same guys that say "it's just a Chevy" (Z06 or ZR1), or "it's just a Ford" (Ford GT). I guess that's the attitude that seperates those who are true car enthusiasts from those who aren't.

 

re the rennlist comment

 

I'm not so sure a 997.2 TT will out perform a GTR. The ''Ring' times have the GTR (and ZR1) a winner by a few seconds in '09. The new GT2RS is clearly faster..but the rest of the P-car's are following....at least according to Wiki.

I know there are other races and tracks to compare the two breeds...but the GTR looks like it has most 911's beat. Maybe "soul-less" wasn't the best word-choice, but to me this is akin to an expansion team winning the world series. I'd prefer to own a car that has history.

I haven't driven a GTR, but I was fortunate enough to get a ride in one, this summer. It accelerated super quick and was very tight on corners. It was a lot of fun..in a Corvette BEAST type of way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%BCrburgring_lap_times

 

For a moment In had to take a second look to see if this was the 997 section as the OP's car was a 997S.
I agree with you then . The 997S did not stand a chance up to the GTR.

 

Ya, someone posted to the OP earlier that he shouldn't feel bad for losing in his 997S since he saw a GT-R beat a 997TT in a episode of supercars exposed. That's what my reply about; TT vs GT-R.

Sorry for the confusion.

 

It's time to get your 997.2 TT S and teach him a lesson T.

 

I dislike the "it's just a nisson" talk. In a few years will they be saying to us....

It's just a volkswagen.


???????

 

I seriously doubt that.

Okay the GTR is fast. So what? Again, the old adage "there is always somebody faster than you" applies. I could spec out a Porsche 911tt in such a fashion that the GTR would be left so far behind, it would look like it is still waiting for its fenders at the factory.

I'd rather have the 556hp/551 ft lbs torque CTS-V, than that GTR without hesitation. But then again, it's isn't a Porsche either. And I'd still rather have a 997.2. Nissan did a great job on the GTR; so has Cadillac with the CTS-V.

But neither are a Porsche.

 

There are a ton of people who still say a Porsche or Audi is just a VW, despite their ignorance. Or, in regards to Porsche, maybe they're recalling the fact that the 356, original Beetle, and Tatra T97 are similar in origin.

And a Ferrari isn't a Porsche either.