1) If a porsche transmission breaks under normal use then Porsche will stand behind the product. Nisasn on the other hand ended up in Federal Court with it's 09 car. http://www.autospies.com/news/Fair-O...ipstick-48063/

2) Watch Nissan packpeddle and grant an interview (in Japanese even though he speaks English) only to say that "launch contral" was some type of system designed for the snow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1bHG...layer_embedded

3) Nissan introduced a stringent warranty and mandatory waiver in 2010 . Imagine signing a waiver BEFORE buying a new car where driving restrictions and track use waivers are detemined by the manufacturer . http://jalopnik.com/#!5201918/2010-g...black-box-data

4) don't know what constitutes a thug ? This may the a fine example of where ignorance is bliss.

 

car, I don't think anyone can debate that. I personally don't care what the badge says on a car, so the fact that its a nissan makes no difference to me. But I stand behind my statement that the car in my own opinion was extremely boring to drive. I have tracked one, and used one on the street and the car just did not sing to me. For me its not all about outright speed, because lets face it outright speed can not be used on the street anyways. So I want a car that is fun to drive at normal speeds as well as a car that can handle its own on the track.

As for the prestige factor..... I have found the general public does not have a clue if your driving a boxster, 996, 997, turbo, or GT2 RS and most assume you are driving a boxster. At a gas station someone even asked me if my car was a boxster because she read in yahoo news that someone trade a used cell phone for a boxster.

The GTR will definately have a bigger wow factor because it has not been around for a million years.

In the end only you can decide which you like, and its not like you can pick a bad car amongst the two.

 

The GTR is horrible as a daily driver. It drives great when you are really pushing it, but in traffic or even in just normal neighborhoods or city streets its really rough. The transmission is built like a race car, it is very strong, and lacks the smoothness I like in a daily driver. the P-car does a much better job of this. BUT, if you drive hard, in weather, and really want to hammer it, the GTR is a beast. Its fast, and the AWD system keeps it nailed to the ground. Drive them both, and really be honest with yourself and what you want. I personally would love to have a GTR as a track day car, but I'd never own one for daily driver purposes.

 

Derek's original question was about the seating capacity of the two cars. Before my latest purchase I found a GT-R to sample (note I couldn't drive it because it was 'owned' by a buyer from 3,000 miles away). I did the usual: adjusted the front seat on a slightly tight setting then tried to get into the rear. I got in (I'm 70" tall, fit and 170 lbs.) but I could not get the front seat back to close/lock because of my bulk. In a pinch I've had two adults in the back seat of my 4s; I even rode back there for 15 minutes once. I have a small young adult child; she easily fits and we've traveled for over four hours at least twice.

So then I tried to find a car: nada

Comparing cars general requires access; I suggest, imho, the GTR may be great but unattainable, therefore there is no relative comparison. "Performance" is truly a track virtue; in everyday driving (per Derek's note) there are extremely rare opportunities to express the "performance" of either of these vehicles.

If the Nissan was a truly great car I should be able to find one to test drive in say a day for at least 10 mins. Note I'm in the NYC region.

 

I had the exact opposite experience. My GT2 was fun to drive, but I didn't enjoy driving it around doing errands and it became tiresome at times. The GTR is an awesome car to drive through traffic and frankly I found it to be the ultimate car in terms of daily practicality along with bolt-on performance that would rock 95% of any built Porsche on here whether on the street, drag strip, and road course.

As far as reliability is concerned....I'd take a Japanese car over a German car every day of the week. I've had both over 20 years and there is no comparison as far as cost and the number of trips to dealers.

And IMO anyone who thinks a badge really matters is not a true enthusiast....

 

Remember this guy is asking about a c2s, not a gt2, those cars are nothing alike when it comes to daily driveability. agreed, it shouldn't be about the badge at all.

 

I find the GT-R to be an extremely competent daily-driver. So much so that I had to force myself to not drive it every day in order to keep the miles down. My best friend bought my last GT-R as a daily, and he also owns a 996TT. He is now selling the 996TT as the GT-R is everything he was looking for in a daily.

 

^ +1.

GT-R makes for a great daily...

Regarding the comment about the clutch dump at every light... The clutch obviously needs to be adjusted, and the dealer should be able to do this.

During the transition from LC1 to LC2 (before the formal letter), my touch points were set to 0, feeling really jerky, but when the letter came out, I took the car in, and had them adjust my B clutch to -2 (or +2 I forget).

This was over 2 years ago (along with the relevance of yrralis1's outdated useless information). There have been 3 iterations of LC since that interview. And there is no problem using any one of them.

Besides - who here launches their GT-R (or Porsche) on their daily commute enough to be relevant in this discussion?

 

I'd love to hear those gt-r 'daily drivers' address the original question : have they rode in the back ? Is there any reason to treat the gt-r as a four seater ? Can you stuff two buds in for a quick run to lunch without chewing on the steering wheel ?

blah blah blah on about 'build' and awesome stuff. Can you have a 55" tall young teenager ride in the rear or not ? We all know a bunch about how the rear seats of a pcar work so please enlighten us about the great experience behind the driver.

 

It's only slightly larger than a 911. Whether or not a 5' person will be comfortable, is up to their tolerance. They WILL fit, but whether or not they WANT to are two different things. My son is 5'8", and he fits in the back, with the wife in front. My 4 year old sits behind me (his seat matches my car).

I've mentioned this before on other threads here (when discussing the versatility) - I can fit (at one time) a 10' folding canopy, 2 fold up chairs, cooler, pillows, 2 helmets, and small luggage for two, and a couple of bags for the kids (for a track weekend).

I have fit over a week of groceries for a family of 6 in the trunk. I purchased a large size microwave from BestBuy (wife's Odyssey was in for repairs due to an accident).

Back to the backseat... I wouldn't want to sit back there for a 45 min daily commute. But if I had to hop in the back, and let a DD take me home, while letting the wife sit comfortably... Check.

 

thanks for the follow-up jaspergtr

 

The OP was asking about an 09 car . He actually wrote "08" in the thread title. That info was related to that year's car.
The warranty waiver still is in effect.

It's not relevant who uses it.
What is relevant is whether the company stands behind it's product without having to end up in federal court .
The new waiver however lets the owner know in advance that if he drives the car in a manner that Nissan doesn't want... he pays the bill . (not that this matters with an 09 car)

I happen to like the Gtr . I just would not buy an 09 car.

 

if you go Porsche at least get late model 09 led tail lights look nice and if your getting
auto you must get late 09 to get PDK plus sport chrono a must with PDK

if you really need 4 seats there is the Panamera

 

'09 cars have LC2. Hence irrelavant. Those 'waivers' are still submitted to prove that the dealership explained noises, etc... to the buyer. It's not a warranty waiver.

I do not understand any of your logic regarding an '09 car.

I also do not understand your reasoning for introducing information that is over 2 years old (that's like me telling somebody, next year, not to buy a new 458 Italia, because they catch on fire).

 

Since you're seeking opinions I'll throw mine in... If your budget affords it I'd get an '09 C4S. Love the refinements that come with the newer model and the widebody stance sets itself apart. In addition, I think AWD is helpful for those of us who need it/like it.

Either way you go you're getting a great car. I actually like the look of the GTR and its performance capabilities are awesome. It's unique and draws attention (IMHO) becuase I don't believe there are a lot around and people are naturally curious about this cool car.

All that being said...if I could only have one...I would choose the Porsche...

Fortunate are those who even have the option!

Good Luck