997 GT3RS on a budget
#31
02-22-2011, 11:00 AM
Well said Paul!!! Sounds like we are in the same boat!
i also consider doing that at the end of this seaon perhaps. it is pretty reasonably priced... but as I understand TBD only works during acceleration, it does not really help much to improve stability during hard braking?
as of comparing m97 engine to gt3 - well, looking how many people drive way faster than most of us in old air-cooled 3.2L cars - there is plenty of room for iprovement. if one outgrows what stripped C2 or C2S car can do he should go right ahead and buy a 997 cup with sequential.
as for myself, i seriously doubt if I will really want to go and track brand new GT3 car despite of how much fun it could be, I just cannot sustain financially to wreck a brand new $120K car. I can sustain to fix this car I have now if God forbid anything minor happens or engine blows but there is a limit to everything. Obviously there are plenty of people for whom to shell out $50K for a new motor every 2-3 seasons is not a big expense but I am not one of those people unfortunately... Even if I buy a new p-car for street I will most likely continue to track this 06 997 tub I have now, may be stripped, but definitely with cheap m96 engine. and if it cannot pull as hard as gt3 does - who cares. I hope in 2-3 years they will make a 997 spec class anyway just as they made 996 spec so it will all even up.
as of comparing m97 engine to gt3 - well, looking how many people drive way faster than most of us in old air-cooled 3.2L cars - there is plenty of room for iprovement. if one outgrows what stripped C2 or C2S car can do he should go right ahead and buy a 997 cup with sequential.
as for myself, i seriously doubt if I will really want to go and track brand new GT3 car despite of how much fun it could be, I just cannot sustain financially to wreck a brand new $120K car. I can sustain to fix this car I have now if God forbid anything minor happens or engine blows but there is a limit to everything. Obviously there are plenty of people for whom to shell out $50K for a new motor every 2-3 seasons is not a big expense but I am not one of those people unfortunately... Even if I buy a new p-car for street I will most likely continue to track this 06 997 tub I have now, may be stripped, but definitely with cheap m96 engine. and if it cannot pull as hard as gt3 does - who cares. I hope in 2-3 years they will make a 997 spec class anyway just as they made 996 spec so it will all even up.
#32
02-22-2011, 11:04 AM
Correct TBD is more for acceleration. LSD works on both ends but since it has clutch plates etc it is considered a maintence item. Bill has a GT3 RS LSD in his shop you can talk to him about since i am going a different direction. I decided on the Quaife since i am getting agreat deal on a new unit and will be able to avoid future service on the LSD.
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02-22-2011, 11:09 AM
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Correct TBD is more for acceleration. LSD works on both ends but since it has clutch plates etc it is considered a maintence item. Bill has a GT3 RS LSD in his shop you can talk to him about since i am going a different direction. I decided on the Quaife since i am getting agreat deal on a new unit and will be able to avoid future service on the LSD.
i was actually thinking to put not a quaife but gt gears one.
http://www.guardtransmission.com/diff_TBD.html
they do very good stuff. pricey, but good. still it is not clear if they have a version for 997 C2 gearbox.
but more likely i will invest this money into skip barber school this year, it will be a better investment probably.
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#35
02-22-2011, 11:13 AM
I plan to wait a while before the SC goes in.. The only reason i bought it so early on was because of the price i didn't know they were going to offer it again or i would have waited but I knew i would never spend 12k on the kit but after seeing the sale price i couldn't resist.
Those seats are pretty nice.. i am a fan of the newer sport seats though. I don't really care for the big round head rest though its a little too much for my taste. I'll probably wait till i see something a little more my style come up at a good price and hop on that.
i didn't know they were going to offer it again or i would have waited but I knew i would never spend 12k on the kit but after seeing the sale price i couldn't resist. Those seats are pretty nice.. i am a fan of the newer sport seats though. I don't really care for the big round head rest though its a little too much for my taste. I'll probably wait till i see something a little more my style come up at a good price and hop on that.
IMHO - keep supercharger in your sleeve for a bit... I would really wait with adding more power, nothing is wrong with having more, just imho it is not a #1 priority.
that would be a very good initial mod if you do not need rear seats.
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...-shipping.html
if you do need rear seats like I do - well, it is all compromise.
that would be a very good initial mod if you do not need rear seats.
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...-shipping.html
if you do need rear seats like I do - well, it is all compromise.
#36
02-22-2011, 11:32 AM
Bill was going to check with Guard about the GT3 RS fitment when we were talking about doing it to my car but when the Quiafe hit the table at the right price i chose that route. Bill also said he prefered the Guard TBD over the Quiafe so if your looking at equal money i would go with the Guard as well.
i do not think it will fit. we have japanese gearboxes and gt3 rs has german one, they are very different.
i was actually thinking to put not a quaife but gt gears one.
http://www.guardtransmission.com/diff_TBD.html
they do very good stuff. pricey, but good. still it is not clear if they have a version for 997 C2 gearbox.
but more likely i will invest this money into skip barber school this year, it will be a better investment probably.
i was actually thinking to put not a quaife but gt gears one.
http://www.guardtransmission.com/diff_TBD.html
they do very good stuff. pricey, but good. still it is not clear if they have a version for 997 C2 gearbox.
but more likely i will invest this money into skip barber school this year, it will be a better investment probably.
#37
02-22-2011, 01:32 PM
Ok, here's my thought:
1- No matter what you do to your regular 997 it is no GT breed. The heart (engine) is not the same.
2- A driver with a good equipped car can beat a 997 GTx with an average Joe behind the wheel
3- In order to keep up with a GTx (with a similar skilled driver), you need to spend a lot of money on a regular 997
4- You can not get the satisfaction of a high revving engine on a regular 997
5- There is no way in hell you can do all that for $24k!
My advice to you guys is to keep your money in your wallet and just go get a 997.1 GT3 as their prices are really reasonable. Ask me how I know...
I was in the same boat as you guys, I started with wheels and suspension, then exhaust, and before I realized the car I initially bought was not the car that was standing in front of me.
1- No matter what you do to your regular 997 it is no GT breed. The heart (engine) is not the same.
2- A driver with a good equipped car can beat a 997 GTx with an average Joe behind the wheel
3- In order to keep up with a GTx (with a similar skilled driver), you need to spend a lot of money on a regular 997
4- You can not get the satisfaction of a high revving engine on a regular 997
5- There is no way in hell you can do all that for $24k!
My advice to you guys is to keep your money in your wallet and just go get a 997.1 GT3 as their prices are really reasonable. Ask me how I know...
I was in the same boat as you guys, I started with wheels and suspension, then exhaust, and before I realized the car I initially bought was not the car that was standing in front of me.
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02-22-2011, 02:43 PM
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My advice to you guys is to keep your money in your wallet and just go get a 997.1 GT3 as their prices are really reasonable. Ask me how I know...
I was in the same boat as you guys, I started with wheels and suspension, then exhaust, and before I realized the car I initially bought was not the car that was standing in front of me.
My advice to you guys is to keep your money in your wallet and just go get a 997.1 GT3 as their prices are really reasonable. Ask me how I know...
I was in the same boat as you guys, I started with wheels and suspension, then exhaust, and before I realized the car I initially bought was not the car that was standing in front of me.
again, gt3 is all fun but i do not feel that level of expences it requires will warrant more fun per buck return for me. plus right now i do not care how i get to a track, if I decide to get gt3 it will have to be gt3 rs whoch will require a trailer, which will require a tow vehicle, which will require space to park all that crap, it has no end and consumes crazy amount of $$$.
meanwhile folks in spec miata cars get to same track and get plenty of fun for a fraction of $ we waste here on our cars. all that porsche business is more to pleasure yourself thn to compete and it will be always somebody with bigger $$$ in a better prepped car and there in no end of this.
#41
02-22-2011, 02:47 PM
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Rep Power: 162 seriously - it is all irrelevant. if one wants to compete it is all about the size of a field. 997 non-gt cars are in adequate numbers right now, they get older, more people are taking them to a track, so, if one wants to club race them I bet it will be plenty of competitors in same class.
as of just of DEs - who cares what who drives, it is not a race anyway.
#42
02-22-2011, 02:54 PM
again, gt3 is all fun but i do not feel that level of expences it requires will warrant more fun per buck return for me. plus right now i do not care how i get to a track, if I decide to get gt3 it will have to be gt3 rs whoch will require a trailer, which will require a tow vehicle, which will require space to park all that crap, it has no end and consumes crazy amount of $$$
-oil change costs the same
-flushing the brakes cost the same
-tires cost the same
-brake pads cost the same
-rotors are a little more expensive on GT breeds compared to regular Carreras
So instead of spending 20k on suspension, exhaust, intake, SC or turbo etc. you can put it on top of a 997 and buy a 997.1 GT3 without the hassle of putting all these parts afterward.
#43
02-22-2011, 02:59 PM
better send list of mobonic`s mods.
seriously - it is all irrelevant. if one wants to compete it is all about the size of a field. 997 non-gt cars are in adequate numbers right now, they get older, more people are taking them to a track, so, if one wants to club race them I bet it will be plenty of competitors in same class.
as of just of DEs - who cares what who drives, it is not a race anyway.
seriously - it is all irrelevant. if one wants to compete it is all about the size of a field. 997 non-gt cars are in adequate numbers right now, they get older, more people are taking them to a track, so, if one wants to club race them I bet it will be plenty of competitors in same class.
as of just of DEs - who cares what who drives, it is not a race anyway.
What I was trying to say was: if you try to make a regular 997 into a 997 GT3 (or almost as good as), it will take more money than just simply adding the money for mods on top of the price of a 997
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02-22-2011, 03:01 PM
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Rep Power: 162 Plus after all that same guy in same old spec miata will be sitting on your tail.
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02-22-2011, 03:04 PM
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Rep Power: 162 plus, gt3 just cames a bit more track ready in its stock form but it is still not a cup car.
right? i mean just that - as you on your Cx car get passed by a GT3 - in same way GT3 gets passed by a stock cup, which gets passed by a custom tuned GMG/TPC/etc rig. And you get into $500K cars range, if you got some dough. This **** never ends.
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