Hey guys,

I know the discussion has been had many times but please bear with me as here it is again.

For my particular situation, I am actually very happy with my 997.2, however the only 2 thing that I might care for going to an S would be PASM and also if the extra HP would add a bit more pull from 5500rpm and up in 3rd.

As a DD, not looking to change that since I do have another car but the 911 is just too fun not to DD so the other car comes in only during rain or snow, I just find the base suspension a bit too rough for many parts of the city that is not paved well or patched well. I literally find myself bouncing around in the car when I drive over these stretches. There are certain stretches that I have to drive everyday and I want to know if PASM on comfort is much softer that it can absorb these rough patches?

Also, I am really happy with the car all around, love the manual and the DFI engine. However, the car doesn't seem to pull very strong when in 3rd above 5.5k or 6k, I know this doesn't happen often. But on the few occasion that I get it up there I find that it just doesn't pull as well... Will the extra 40hp actually make a difference or is it just the gearing of the 6 speed?

 

Is the base 997.2 setting harsher than the 997.2 PASM soft setting? On NYC roads with your ginormous potholes, I doubt you will be using the sport PASM setting that often.

 

According to Porsche, the 0-60 difference is 0.2 seconds, so how much harder could it possibly pull at the upper revs. If I was buying one from scratch, it would definitely be the S -- for not just the power, but also brakes, rims, etc. However, I don't think it's worth switching, especially with the 991 coming out this fall.

NYC roads: only a masochist would ever use sport PASM in the city.

I drive a Targa, which has the softest suspension of all the 911's (to help with roof squeek) and it's still rough in the city -- it's a proper sports car after all! I don't think any 911 will stop you from bouncing around city roads. If that's really an issue for you, I humbly suggest a Panamera or Cayenne.

Me, I try to drive outside the city as often as possible. But when I'm here, I like to think of the potholes as obstacles that need to be negotiated. Some guys have autocross... I have Sixth Ave.

 

LOL...I think I have every pothole memorized through MidTown.

 

Seriously, my bony *** can't tolerate the harshness of the sport PASM setting even out here. I can't imagine NYC but I love your comment about 6th Ave lol.

 

The base suspension is actually the most comfortable among the new 997.2's especially if you are using stock 18's. PASM just makes the suspension stiffer for track use. The HP difference is negligible in street use.
I am in the same shoes tempted to upgrade but the new 991 is around the corner so I advise you wait and enjoy your current vehicle.

Vic

 

I thought the comfort setting on PASM is softer than the base suspension? If that is not true then "forgettabouit"!

I remember reading on the forum various times with members complaining that with PASM the sport was too hard and the comfort was too soft and how some of them wished they could use the non S setup... Am I mistaken?

I didn't think the extra hp was going to make a difference but no harm in asking.

 

I can't imagine the normal PASM setting on the S being any softer than a non-S for the 997.2, it certainly wasn't the case based on my butt dyno for the 997.1 but you could be right for the 997.2.

Anyhow, why not wait for the 991 S and save your coin for now?

 

Gellie, I respectfully disagree. It is impossible to memorize every pot hole as they spawn at night like wet gremlins on viagra.

 

PASM is adaptive. On the default setting, it will vary from softer than stock to harder, depending on conditions. I know when I was researching my car, the consensus was that PASM was much better for comfort on 19's than the stock suspension. Most find the sport PASM setting to be too harsh for anything but the smoothest roads.

 

spot on doc...

btw.nice car you have on order..congrats

 

Thanks. Someone on P-9 spotted it on the line last week, should be here in a few weeks. Thank goodness for the MRM on leases, helped me stop adding options.

 

Yes! What he said! Can it adapt to the undulating ski mogul terrain that are punctuated with endless man holes poor excuse we call roads here in NYC?


As for the 991, I am not a big fan of getting 1st year cars because there always seems to be something wrong with them and also pricing at List with no discounts doesn't resonate with me. So I figure while my car is still fairly new, I can probably trade it for a similar year used 997.2 S with outlay of 7.5 to 10k... Then drive for another 2 years and then go for a 991 base or S then. I only looked at a few used car price comparison to get to those numbers but they seem consistent. Am I off base here?

 

I concur, I would not get the 1st year 991 either. Looks like one might be able to procure a 2nd year 991 by late 2012 or early 2013 but perhaps I'm being optimistic. Anyhow, if you can get into a 997.2S with a delta of 7.5K then by all means do it. The price difference was certainly palatable enough for me to get a 997.1S over a 997.1 base when you consider all the goodies you get with the "S." Good luck with your decision.