Beautiful and accurate point!

 

You seem to be the one forming the opinion. You (and others) comment on a car that you have no experience with over revs. If you say that a car with over revs can experience more problems and this is based on reasonable data then you have a valid point. I have an example that has more over revs then all others that have commented in this thread (and possibly more then all combined) and yet you continue to doubt these results and say that I am full of it unless I am willing to show you a DME scan.

As I said before, go ask you service advisor which car has more problems, but i doubt that you will as you know you won't like the response.

Go out and get some facts to support your claim, and then feel free to continue this debate, if you don't have any solid facts, then stop being a troll and go back to giving advice on how much people should pay for their cars or talk about how much your mods add to the value of your car to future buyers and why the rest of the mods that you didn't do will only hurt the value of others cars.

 

Now come on, your response to my explanation of my rationale to buy the car was, in it's total entirety, "Eeesh !!!". That was not helpful and falls into what you are now claiming regarding being judgmental and self righteous.

Factually, these are redline incidents. Diverting away from the discussion by using terms like self righteous drivel, zealot and judgmental, aren't you using a red herring approach? There is no reason for that. You, me or anyone else does not have to be right, this is a discussion.

 

Defining "eesh" .. wondering why anyone would go through the trouble of going to another state to buy a car which had even a smidgen of doubt evoked "eesh".

Maybe this will help -

1) the Porsche PDK in the new cars ignores over rev commands and wil not shift into over rev territory . The concept behind PDK is that it's shifting capability is highly sohisticated and factors out these human errors .

2) Thje majority of posters are not technicians however there are posts on this subject wriiten by technicians explaining the over rev process . See page 2 of this thread. Sometimes when one doesn't know the answer it's a good thing to at least know where to find it.
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...-over-rev.html

3) One can't know the reliability outcome of the car . Have you even driven the car ? But lets say you buy it and drive it which is what you plan to do. Even in the best case scenario where the car is reliable the facts of that car's history can not be changed and when you go to sell it it may be the difference been a buyer choosing it or passing it up .

4) Those who suggested to buy it as those who didn't will NOT be the owner of the car . You will. The person it matters most to is the one who buys the car , pays for service, and one days sells it .

It's really your choice .
I wish you well.

 

He asked for an opinion in an open forum . He got many replies . My reply was "eesh " = doubt and confusion.

 

The burden of proof falls on the one who claims that high level over revs constitute a 'perfectly good car" . It is a positive assertion with nothing to support it. One does not have to prove a negative (that not having them is a good thing) to establish a falsehood because that isn't the topic . He's not buying a new car . One also does not have to prove or disprove "eesh" .

In fact no one called the car bad .
Most simply said 'pass" .

 

Nice back tracking, I get the jist of your comment. Now go provide some support to your comment instead of just a baseless comment. This is no different then your suggestion that any repainting of a single body panel reduces the value of a 997 by $1500 per body panel painted.

 

Once again, nice back tracking!

These do not constitute high levels of over revs.

 

Finally some sense on this thread.....

 

I luv this thread.....whoop whoop

 

Northvan,

Thanks for calling out some of the BS that floats around here.

Being an owner of a couple of garage queens with the intent of selling them back at the highest prices is certainly one way to be an owner and poster here.

However they are not necessarily the best source of advice and it's certainly not the most fun type of ownership IMHO.

 

All good points. As far as the PDK and the technology regarding redlining the car, how many other automatic transmissions can you redline?

The reason I am buying the car out of state is to get a better selection of cars. I found a two I liked locally, but the dealers were not realistic on price. Essentially it saved me ~$10,000.

I bought this one through eBay Motors. I bought a Mercedes the same way 10 years ago. Back then my then wife asked me "what kind of idiot buys a used Mercedes on eBay?". When I received the car it needed a couple things and the seller stepped up to the plate.

In addition to trying understand the vehicle, I also look at the seller. I look for sellers that have a dealership and a very high ~100% feedback rating. this car's dealer has a 100% feedback rating. The Mercedes seller had a 98.9% rating, also on hundreds of sales. (I remember one of the two negatives coming from someone who bought a used Jaguar and claimed it was a lemon. I thought their complaint was the definition of a used Jaguar).

My rationale on this is twofold, first if I buy from a local dealer and I have a problem, I have no public manner of recourse. I could get completely screwed over and the local dealer's actions would never be known. With a high rated eBay seller they want to maintain their high rating and will work hard with the buyer to fix a problem. Once negative feedback is out, there it lasts forever for every potential buyer to see. While the description of the negative strike drops off over time, but the strike remains. I feel this is better than with a local dealer.

My second reason for being comfortable in buying a car I have not driven is exactly based on the who in their right mind would buy a car they have never driver? type of thinking. This is exactly what dealers do at auctions. The car sitting on the lot, even if a local car, may very well have come in from another dealer through the auction. They will always verbally say it was a trade, but you never know. If they buy a car with problems, they still need to sell it. So essentially I am buying the car in the same manner as the dealer that is selling the car locally.

Also, even if the car came in on trade in, the dealer has to make the decision quickly, so what does that really tell a buyer? It doesn't tell you they knew the car and the owner, it tells you they were able to sell a new car, take a quick look at the trade in and buy it at a price where they hope they can resell it at a positive margin.

When a dealer buys at auction they don't get to drive the car or run it through diagnostics. For me I have frank conversations with the seller who has at least a vested interest in maintaining a public reputation, something the dealer does not get from the seller at auction. Additionally, I had the local dealership perform a pre purchase inspection and a test drive. Maybe, their set of eyes and opinion will catch a noise I would not know to listen for.

All in all, I am buying a car in the same manner, if not with more precautionary research, than the car on the local dearship lot.

But in the end isn't this all just a red herring to the original subject at hand? LOL?

 

Here's an interesting question:

When you bought your car, how many of you read the DME before you bought it? Did you know what it was and what it meant?

Be honest! LOL!

 

I would not be concerned by the DME scan. Enjoy your Porsche.

 

Not me, and BTW I bought both of my 997's on eBay because of the bigger selection of cars.