Ewww, I can't picture Tom Selleck, Magnum PI, using the term, "Cute little Porsche" - and for a nephew - maybe a niece but not a nephew.

 

C'mon, the world is awash with successful people who are clueless morons. Success and not being very bright are not mutually exclusive. Speaking for myself, I've seen a number of people who can't think their way out of a wet paper bag do very well. How far can you go on good looks and charm? Apparently pretty far.

 

Gary is absolutely right. Princeton Porsche treats me extremely well, they care about MY time and the convenience and service is worth a few extra bucks. (Brian, if you're reading this, it's not from the Luke you think it is. The Luke you know needs a very special deal on the next turbo I --- I mean, he buys. And Gene, it's time to put the winter shoes on the car, so please have the ever wonderful Mario stop by and pick up the tires and car to exchange them. Thank you).

 

Have to agree that wealth and intelligence have only limited correlation, despite public perception to the contrary. Lots of shallow but persistent people make money by hitting on a business idea which happens to work out (eg, **** sites). And lots of very bright people don't make much money because they choose to go into areas that inherently don't pay that well (eg, the arts and much of academia).

 

wealth doesn't necessarily imply success. I wonder what percentage of people with money in this country actually are responsible for earning that money, as opposed to simply inheriting it or having second-hand access to it, such as a spouse or kid. I'd wager that the majority of wealthy folks in the USA didn't actually earn their money.

 

The studies I've seen do actually suggest that most affluent/wealthy people made the money themselves, and came from middle-class backgrounds. Business ownership is apparently the most common way to do that.

 

I see businesses fail enough to know that every entrepreneur isn't sustainably successful, but I've never met a successful business person who was a dope (some egregious buttheads, but no dopes).

Getting back to the OP's "overpriced" C4S - it's not overpriced enough for a successful businessperson in that neighborhood to buy with a quickly negotiated discount.

I've observed that unsuccessful people obsess over the trappings of wealth while they busy themselves chasing meaningless discounts on groupon. If you threw a net over the people lining up in front of a box store at midnight on Thanksgiving, I doubt you'd catch a single successful business person.

 

The argument would be that financially successful people are likely to be business owners, but it doesn't conversely follow that business owners are likely to be financially successful (especially if the business hasn't been around long).

I guess we'd have to better define butthead, dope, dummy, shallow, etc. to understand what attributes a person can lack while still being financially successful.

 

Thanks for the feedback. I believe you but I'm surprised.

 

This Data may help understand the market: less then half the imports from 2006 & '07. Less product makes the Used market stable.

Year 911 U.S. Canada

2004 9654 573
2005 10,107 546
2006 12,130 657
2007 12,497 660
2008 8324 463
2009 6839 495
2010 5737 525
2011 YTD * 5593 465

Source: Automakers & ANDC

 

Personally, I don't get the point at being angry at a suggested price (whether at a dealer or private sale). IF the car in question meets the need of the buyer and the seller can agree on a price, done. If not, move on until the buyer can find the right car at his or her right price (too many variables to come up with a situation that works for everyone).

 

Again, it goes to the larger question of how they view their customers. Is a customer someone to treat fairly and offer a market price which allows them to make a moderate profit? Or is a customer someone you try to take advantage of to make the most money possible? This view goes beyond the sales floor and into the service department where its much more difficult to be knowledgable of what work needs to be done or what the proper cost of it is.

 

I agree. This is where you can really get taken for a ride. I'm willing to pay more for a car at my dealership knowing from experience that I will be treated more than fairly by the service department.

 

I purchased my car for $9K below what my dealer had on the sticker. Told the sales guy that the car was overpriced and he told me we would work that out later. At the end of the day they wanted to sell the car and I pulled out my smart phone, ran a search on CARS.COM, pointed to the cheapest 911 with all same options and mileage and told them to match the price. The dealer did. I also got over $8K more on the trade in than what CARMAX wanted to buy my S6 for.

I admit that I was so put off by the initial price that I did not even want to look at the car, but it all worked out during negotiations.

I do not think we should expect the dealer to have their lowest price when advertising. There is usually work involved when getting that lowest price. The OP should go in there if interested and see where the numbers fall.

 

some dealers suck nuts