Here's another site that lists some ethanol free gas stations:

http://www.buyrealgas.com/

 

Nothing but a ton of misinformation here on ethanol being corrosive.. 10% ethanol in 93 octance will have 0 effects on any modern fuel injected car.. We have been running E85 for 5 years now in our cars with 0 issues, including corrosion.. 10% ethanal in pump gas will corrode NOTHING..

Why would you want a lower octane fuel in your porsche?? I cringe when i see No ethanol on pump at the track.. I used to run E85 in my Gt3 with 0 issues for over a year.. I wish i had it longer to comment on the long term use but ill speculate that there would be be no issues anyway.. I run E85 in all our Evos for 5 years now and no issues..

Edit* i lied when i said 0 issues.. Starting the car in the winter months was hard to start which is normal with E85..

 

0 issues doesn't include reduced mileage thought does it?

 

And wait until the government subsidies come off and we'll see the real price of E85 - lower mpg, higher cost - doesn't make sense.

 

I dont find that to be an "issue".. If as a porsche owner i was concerned about my mileage i would be driving a smart car not a high performance machine.. Just my opinion here.. If they take away E85 from us ill make it myself..

 

I must say I sincerely hope you get your opportunity to make it yourself. Personally I've never seen any benefit from using food to make gasoline. It just doesn't pass the basic logic test, especially when ethanol/gas mixes are harmful to engines and offer less performance. It isn't just a Porsche issue, it is an issue for all gasoline powered engines. Just doesn't make sense, economically or mechanically.

 

Ethanol is harmful to engines?? Please explain where the harm comes from?? I have torn down engines on ethanol and with the wipe of a paper towel i could eat off the piston.. 93 octane engines you couldnt clean the deposits off with sand paper..

Less performance?? Please explain where the LESS is in the performance.. I can run 60psi of boost thru a 2L engine on E85.. can that be done on 93??

Please explain your statements so i can understand a little more clearly where you are coming from and hopefully i can educate you a little on E85 and the benefits..

Mike

 

How do you make e85? I'm interested in this! E85 is awesome race fuel!

 

Here is some information from a buddy of mine David Buschur.. Hes selling this setup to move to a larger one..

http://highboostforum.com/forum/show...ally-under-way

 

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=7308

Some in formation for you Mike.
It is not a secret (but it seems not everybody acknowledges the fact) that ethanol has less energy per gallon, about 15% or so hence you need to burn 15 percent more to get the same energy that propels your car. I am sure you can figure out the consequences. In terms of damage to engines. It effectively does have a great effect on the moving parts ( engines etc) in old cars . Just Google it.

 

http://content.usatoday.com/communit...from-10-now-/1

Have fun!-

 

Dont believe everything you read on the internet.. I use the fuel on a daily basis in dozens of cars.. I tear down engines for a living.. I know what i see with my eyes not what a journalist THINKS he knows based on internet information.. Ill leave it at that.. Anyone else with 1st hand information actually using the product i am all ears.. We were using E99 in cars 5 years ago when most people only knew what VP race fuel was..

Mike

 

Now it appears you have limited your stance on ethanol's effect to its effect on OLD cars. For the record, that's approximately 1982 and earlier. (A little before the 997). I know this. Since then, every major manufacturer on the planet has produced and warranted their vehicles to run on various blends of ethanol (10% or less).

Gallon for gallon, ethanol will not take you as far as conventional 85-87+octane rated fuel, but...that fact is completely independent of its corrosive effect on the modern engine, which by the way, is zero.

There is certainly a crapload of bad information out there on ethanol, and for whatever reason, there are a multitude of internet posters who cannot wait to cut and paste.

With all due respect, "just google it" has approximately the same intrinsic value today as "whatever." There's absolutely NOTHING you can't find on the internet today, true or false. It's there. All you have to do is Google it...

whatever!

 

This is good information about the damaging effects ( or lack of them ) with E10. I have been using stabil marine in my vehicles and perhaps i can stop with no ill effect, although i still DO believe the entire ethanol issue is a con. It raises the cost of not only gas, but the foods we eat, and we get lower mpgs to boot for what benefits?

 

I don't know all the science nor do I think that GM is a technology leader but I do know that the GM flex-fuel engines have different "internals" (don't know what though) than their non-flex-fuel engines so the use of E85 warrants some engine changes. So there are mechanical/design changes made to engines to run E85 - I don't know if Porsche has ever disclosed making any E85 changes or maybe their engines are designed to handle it.