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Old 12-22-2011 | 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by jhbrennan
I don't know all the science nor do I think that GM is a technology leader but I do know that the GM flex-fuel engines have different "internals" (don't know what though) than their non-flex-fuel engines so the use of E85 warrants some engine changes. So there are mechanical/design changes made to engines to run E85 - I don't know if Porsche has ever disclosed making any E85 changes or maybe their engines are designed to handle it.
You are correct, and I haven't specifically referred to E-85, but "flex-fuel" vehicles are E-85 compatible. The comments in this thread concerning the use of E-85 in a P-car are not mine, and I'm a little puzzled by them. Unlike others though, I won't trash-talk the concept, since I don't know anything about it. (that said, I know I have read about dragsters running on alcohol, so it's not a completely foreign concept to me, just don't know if P-cars are built for such a thing)

Unless your vehicle has all original engine parts and it's vintage pre-1980 or so, blends of ethanol at 10% or less will not do damage. This I do know.
 
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Old 12-22-2011 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by IslandS62
This is good information about the damaging effects ( or lack of them ) with E10. I have been using stabil marine in my vehicles and perhaps i can stop with no ill effect, although i still DO believe the entire ethanol issue is a con. It raises the cost of not only gas, but the foods we eat, and we get lower mpgs to boot for what benefits?
I agree that ethanol is a con game. I believe that refiners burn more fossil fuel creating it than we save using it as a fuel component, and I believe it's a terrific waste of tax dollars subsidizing the use of it. The whole renewable fuels mandate is a waste as well. Our government just can't help itself. If government would shrink, and let innovation and the free market reign, we would ALL be better off.
 
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Originally Posted by Domer911
I agree that ethanol is a con game. I believe that refiners burn more fossil fuel creating it than we save using it as a fuel component, and I believe it's a terrific waste of tax dollars subsidizing the use of it. The whole renewable fuels mandate is a waste as well. Our government just can't help itself. If government would shrink, and let innovation and the free market reign, we would ALL be better off.
You are exactly right. Spot on.

I don't have the energy to argue the possible detrimental aspects of using "alcohol" in gasoline engines. I'll just say that I was winning Kart races running methanol and Steen C before most of the readers of this board were born, or probably their parents were born.

I'll be glad to let them use ethanol in their gasoline if they will just quit making the ethanol out of food. When they make it out of corn cobs, or the residue from grinding sugar cane, or some other cellulose source I'll quit complaining. Just give me the opportunity to purchase my gasoline without ethanol and quit depleting the food supply to make it.
 
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You are exactly right. Spot on.

I don't have the energy to argue the possible detrimental aspects of using "alcohol" in gasoline engines. I'll just say that I was winning Kart races running methanol and Steen C before most of the readers of this board were born, or probably their parents were born.

I'll be glad to let them use ethanol in their gasoline if they will just quit making the ethanol out of food. When they make it out of corn cobs, or the residue from grinding sugar cane, or some other cellulose source I'll quit complaining. Just give me the opportunity to purchase my gasoline without ethanol and quit depleting the food supply to make it.
Not only does the E85 process use valuable food stock, it requires an inordinate amount of water to process - given the severity of the recent droughts in Texas, I'm not sure I understand using water and corn to make E85 and then provide a government subsidy to boot. Without the subsidy, the real cost of E85 would be prohibitive not even considering the lower mpg - nobody would buy it. OK - I'm off my soap box.
 



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