Substitute for Porsche?
#46
VERY exciting news!
I can't wait to see how the new Z06/ZR-1 stack up.
I had not contemplated a ZR-1 (in favor of the Z06) before... (not really sure why) But it seems this may end up on our radar (just have to shake the 'Vette stigma with the wife). The problem that we find is that 'Vette's are everywhere, and difficult to tell the base $50k model, and the supercharged 638HP $100k+ model apart, without a close examination (made more difficult by other trims, such as Grand Sport, etc...).
I can't wait to see how the new Z06/ZR-1 stack up.
I had not contemplated a ZR-1 (in favor of the Z06) before... (not really sure why) But it seems this may end up on our radar (just have to shake the 'Vette stigma with the wife). The problem that we find is that 'Vette's are everywhere, and difficult to tell the base $50k model, and the supercharged 638HP $100k+ model apart, without a close examination (made more difficult by other trims, such as Grand Sport, etc...).
#47
VERY exciting news!
I can't wait to see how the new Z06/ZR-1 stack up.
I had not contemplated a ZR-1 (in favor of the Z06) before... (not really sure why) But it seems this may end up on our radar (just have to shake the 'Vette stigma with the wife). The problem that we find is that 'Vette's are everywhere, and difficult to tell the base $50k model, and the supercharged 638HP $100k+ model apart, without a close examination (made more difficult by other trims, such as Grand Sport, etc...).
I can't wait to see how the new Z06/ZR-1 stack up.
I had not contemplated a ZR-1 (in favor of the Z06) before... (not really sure why) But it seems this may end up on our radar (just have to shake the 'Vette stigma with the wife). The problem that we find is that 'Vette's are everywhere, and difficult to tell the base $50k model, and the supercharged 638HP $100k+ model apart, without a close examination (made more difficult by other trims, such as Grand Sport, etc...).
IF, and a big IF, I bought a vette, I would buy the top model, but you have to accept that it may not be all you want. Porsche makes a GTS & GTR's for just that....a special car...limited run.
#48
Does it matter if the public can tell which model you have? You should feel good about which model you have and not worry about. Nothing wrong with the stealth mode....no advertising which model you have.
IF, and a big IF, I bought a vette, I would buy the top model, but you have to accept that it may not be all you want. Porsche makes a GTS & GTR's for just that....a special car...limited run.
IF, and a big IF, I bought a vette, I would buy the top model, but you have to accept that it may not be all you want. Porsche makes a GTS & GTR's for just that....a special car...limited run.
One thing I really like about the GT-R, there is no base model, no shared chassis with other cars or models - just one (basic) trim level (with variations, premium, BE, Track Pack, Egoist, Gentlemen, VIP, etc...). Those different trims may include CF wing, different color trim on the interior, different wheels, etc..., but they are all practically the same, with the same standard features (still almost no cost options).
#49
That would include the no cost big grin encased in your helmet while on track.
And there I was feeling bad about turning 66.
Plus you have to be on social security to own one. Nothing personal intended. Its a fact the vette demographics are 50-65 yrs old, thats why the huge change with the C7, trying to hit the late 20's +.
Last edited by Alan C.; 05-23-2013 at 11:55 AM.
#50
With all this talk about cost vs performance, im surprised there is not more noise about the Shelby gt500. I started shopping for a leftover Z06 recently as a stablemate to my GTS Cab, but I drove away with a brand new Shelby. 662 stock HP for around 60k is tough to beat. And as alluded to previously in this thread, it's a totally different experience From the Porsche, whereas the Z06 has some overlap. The handling of the Shelby doesn't match a 911 or Z06, but at 1.0g it's no slouch either. And the motor and transmission feel really, really nice. Brutish, beautiful, and no excuses. And no gas guzzler tax. That takes some pretty good engineering IMO. And while existing vette customers represent a certain demographic, and there are many stereotypes about them, I've yet to read about a Shelby stereotype or demographic.
#51
With all this talk about cost vs performance, im surprised there is not more noise about the Shelby gt500. I started shopping for a leftover Z06 recently as a stablemate to my GTS Cab, but I drove away with a brand new Shelby. 662 stock HP for around 60k is tough to beat. And as alluded to previously in this thread, it's a totally different experience From the Porsche, whereas the Z06 has some overlap. The handling of the Shelby doesn't match a 911 or Z06, but at 1.0g it's no slouch either. And the motor and transmission feel really, really nice. Brutish, beautiful, and no excuses. And no gas guzzler tax. That takes some pretty good engineering IMO. And while existing vette customers represent a certain demographic, and there are many stereotypes about them, I've yet to read about a Shelby stereotype or demographic.
I question the brakes being able to withstand 4000lbs at the speeds it carries for a track day, the solid rear axle is not great, and the seats and interior are not up to the same caliber. Outward visibilty, especially the right front is pretty poor too.
No doubt a fun car, and in the Top 20 around MRLS, but not as ideal as the others.
But wouldn't turn one down either!
#52
And BTW, in case there's anyone left who doesn't know already, Jeremy Clarkson is an Olympic-caliber jackass. Just saying...
Last edited by 1analguy; 05-23-2013 at 11:56 PM.
#53
[QUOTE=Deuuuce;3855504]Those are certainly valid points. But for a track car, I would pass.
I question the brakes being able to withstand 4000lbs at the speeds it carries for a track day, the solid rear axle is not great, and the seats and interior are not up to the same caliber. Outward visibilty, especially the right front is pretty poor too.
No doubt a fun car, and in the Top 20 around MRLS, but not as ideal as the others.
But wouldn't turn one down either! [QUOTE]
With the svtpp and track pack, I'm optimistic the brakes will be good enough for some DE's. Also, I have to disagree about the seats. The optional leather Recaros are very nice and very comfortable. As for the interior it's true to an old American muscle car. No leather dash, no ventilated seats, no excuses.
Also, there are some intangibles when it comes to car shopping. When I drove the SS Camaro, not so impressed. When I drove the Z06 I loved the power, but it felt kind of insubstantial. But when I drove the Shelby, all I can say is I had a big smile, the seats were comfortable, the car was solid, the drivetrain felt superb, and I wanted it.
I question the brakes being able to withstand 4000lbs at the speeds it carries for a track day, the solid rear axle is not great, and the seats and interior are not up to the same caliber. Outward visibilty, especially the right front is pretty poor too.
No doubt a fun car, and in the Top 20 around MRLS, but not as ideal as the others.
But wouldn't turn one down either! [QUOTE]
With the svtpp and track pack, I'm optimistic the brakes will be good enough for some DE's. Also, I have to disagree about the seats. The optional leather Recaros are very nice and very comfortable. As for the interior it's true to an old American muscle car. No leather dash, no ventilated seats, no excuses.
Also, there are some intangibles when it comes to car shopping. When I drove the SS Camaro, not so impressed. When I drove the Z06 I loved the power, but it felt kind of insubstantial. But when I drove the Shelby, all I can say is I had a big smile, the seats were comfortable, the car was solid, the drivetrain felt superb, and I wanted it.
#54
With all this talk about cost vs performance, im surprised there is not more noise about the Shelby gt500. I started shopping for a leftover Z06 recently as a stablemate to my GTS Cab, but I drove away with a brand new Shelby. 662 stock HP for around 60k is tough to beat. And as alluded to previously in this thread, it's a totally different experience From the Porsche, whereas the Z06 has some overlap. The handling of the Shelby doesn't match a 911 or Z06, but at 1.0g it's no slouch either. And the motor and transmission feel really, really nice. Brutish, beautiful, and no excuses. And no gas guzzler tax. That takes some pretty good engineering IMO. And while existing vette customers represent a certain demographic, and there are many stereotypes about them, I've yet to read about a Shelby stereotype or demographic.
Congrats!!!!!!! You will love it. If I had to get rid of my Shelby or 911 it would be a very hard choice, thankfully it is not something I have to do. I love owning both. I drive my 911 more because I actually consider my Shelby the Garage Queen nice weekend only car.
Last edited by Carnut12; 05-23-2013 at 08:38 PM.
#56
The Hamster loves muscle cars.
Mustang GT500 car review - Top Gear - BBC - YouTube
Mustang GT500 car review - Top Gear - BBC - YouTube
#57
obviously not in your world.
u probably bench race, too, huh ?
BTW did u ever drive the 997 ? Do you even have a Porsche to compare with or are u just trolling ?
my 911 is at least 6 years behind in automotive advancement..
so, yes, i prefer to defer my judgement until at least i test drive the new stingray..
i do know that Chevy used 911 as their benchmark in developing the handling for their new corvette
u probably bench race, too, huh ?
BTW did u ever drive the 997 ? Do you even have a Porsche to compare with or are u just trolling ?
my 911 is at least 6 years behind in automotive advancement..
so, yes, i prefer to defer my judgement until at least i test drive the new stingray..
i do know that Chevy used 911 as their benchmark in developing the handling for their new corvette
The C7 may bruise the shin easily with the dashboard design protruding into the doorway. The redundant, non-intuitive rev-match downshift buttons behind the steering whee, the Chevy parts-bin radio interface and tire scrubbing when u-turning all reminded me its a GM, as nice as it was.
The Cayman, despite the horsepower deficit, is definitely my pick and probably the best sportscar under $100k. Refinement, technology, packaging, efficiency, etc.
But hey, I'm not a real journalist so what do I know?
#58
Sounds like some of the argument or debate can be identified as quantity (HP) VS quality and which one an individual prefers.
NO one car has it all IMO.
NO one car has it all IMO.
Last edited by cerbomark; 07-16-2014 at 04:03 PM.
#60
Having owned both a C6 ZO6 and now a 997, I must say that the Porsche experience far outweighs that of the Corvette. With that said, the ZO6 smokes the 997... Pick your poison. To me the Corvette just always felt like it was missing that special "something".