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High Speed Handling: Front End feels "Light"

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Old 05-11-2013, 02:41 PM
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High Speed Handling: Front End feels "Light"

At speeds above 90mph (estimate) the steering starts to feel very light, The steering feel is acceptable, but I feel like the front end is almost floating. Turn-in on curves is OK and the car tracks well at speed in the corners. It's almost like I need some sort of aerodynamic aide to add some downforce at the front (wishful thinking for that GT3 front clip?). The alignment is within stock specs and was checked less than a year ago. Stock springs, wheels are aftermarket with a touch more offset than stock, stock rubber.
 
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At speed and any fuel level?
 
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With stock setup, it does feel light at high speeds... I lowered it with a set of bilstein coilovers and problem solved! You can adjust compression and rebound with coilovers to to preference. You will definetly enjoy the upgrade.
 
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I haven't tracked my 911 or even pushed it hard on the streets yet, but I do know what you mean. It is most pronounced when on the gas coming out of a turn. I am guessing that since there is no weight on the front wheels, this sensation is just a "911 thing". (At least compared to my BMW which has the engine over the front axle.)

For me the big concern is snap oversteer with all that weight hanging out the back. I get the sense that PSM will step in and take care of me if things got too out of hand, but I'm trying not to count on that which is why I'm taking my time to get to know the car.
 
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Yes, in part this is due to the lack of an engine sitting in the front, and in part it has to do with the narrower front tires - this car is setup to understeering intentionally, since most average drivers would not be able to correct a 911 out of oversteer properly. What you describe coming out of a corner when accelerating is engineered understeering.
 
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Yes, in part this is due to the lack of an engine sitting in the front, and in part it has to do with the narrower front tires - this car is setup to understeering intentionally, since most average drivers would not be able to correct a 911 out of oversteer properly. What you describe coming out of a corner when accelerating is engineered understeering.
I will let the OP chime in for opinion here, but what I am describing is not understeer. It's a sense that the steering goes light when accelerating out of a turn - it makes me less confident about coming down hard on the gas because I can't quite tell how much grip is available.
 
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Felt the same thing when I test drove the C2S. Got a C4S instead and I don't feel it as much now.
 
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Many many years ago, drivers would put weight in the trunk (bag of sand, etc.) to add weight to the front.

Experiment with this and see if it makes a difference.

I can't remember which 911-year it was, but there was a model where there were actually 2 batteries in the front (as originally designed by Porsche).
 
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When you say "light", do you mean like this:



Or this?




I'm joking. If you want to experience "light", try a C5 Corvette.
 
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Originally Posted by Gripster
I will let the OP chime in for opinion here, but what I am describing is not understeer. It's a sense that the steering goes light when accelerating out of a turn - it makes me less confident about coming down hard on the gas because I can't quite tell how much grip is available.
I guess the weight-transfer to the rear during acceleration is what's doing it. This is already a rear weight biased car. I think I know what you're referring to...I've experienced it as well.

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Felt the same thing when I test drove the C2S. Got a C4S instead and I don't feel it as much now.
Front differential = added weight to the front keeping those front tires more planted.
 
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Originally Posted by 911Stud
I guess the weight-transfer to the rear during acceleration is what's doing it. This is already a rear weight biased car.
Bingo!

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Front differential = added weight to the front keeping those front tires more planted.
Makes sense.

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Oh, and nikon - those pics are exactly it. Just a little bit more exaggerated than we experience on the street!
 
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Front of my c2s 997.1 sure feels like its loose as well guess its time to drop 4k on coilovers
 
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Originally Posted by Gripster
Bingo!



Makes sense.

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Oh, and nikon - those pics are exactly it. Just a little bit more exaggerated than we experience on the street!
LOL. Those are courtesy of turn #5 at Sebring.
 
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Mine starts to get light at 120 mph but i have bilstein set to medium.
 
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Has anyone driven the 991 to compare the feel with the 997? Just wondering how the active suspension differs to the 991.
 


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