997.1 what mod is best?
#17
I was not saying that anyone had made the statement that a flash and an exhaust were going to give you 50+hp, but that is what OP was looking for so my comments were meant as advice (or a reality check depends on how he takes it) on what would need to be done to get 50+hp. Like I said I mean no offence to any vendors just happen to be an old guy with a lot more experience at this than most. Neither of of my Porsche's have stock exhausts (My Panamera is the car in AWE's video) and my 997S has parts in it from many vendors including VF engineering, and over the years I have spent a whole lot of money with tuners modifying everything from an Abarth to a Lamborghini.
#18
You could always just learn to drive it faster. Go to track days, use the $3k for future tyres and brake pads and servicing and just have fun with it. I've realised there is no point in wishing for more power when you can't even push the thing to 80% of it's capability. I remember my first track day I had girls passing me in their boxters.
#19
Why do people invest so much (15k+) into performance mods when adding that to the value of your car gets you to a completely different vehicle (especially in the used market)??
I can understand 5-10k for really considerable increases, really I would much rather just spend all of that on DE events and have a blast at the same time (and drive faster).
I can understand 5-10k for really considerable increases, really I would much rather just spend all of that on DE events and have a blast at the same time (and drive faster).
#20
50+ hp, is only going to happen with a supercharger or a turbo kit, and if you want sound then exhaust, and of course a short shift kit. After over 40 + years of taking cars apart and making them faster (and owning over 400 cars myself including 40 Porsche's), adding bolt on mods is a suckers game.
With just bolt-ons will be hard, but you can get +50hp out of N/A... it's just most likely going to cost a lot of money and be very involved. You'll be doing things like engine head work, stroker kits, pistons, cams, intake, exhaust, tuning, etc... Most people will go forced induction because it's usually cheaper than the N/A route and will provide more bang for the buck.
#23
Thanks to all for the comments. I am not planning to add a turbo and I now understand I can't get the 50hp I was hoping for, based on my plan. I see many comments saying that ECU/intake/exhaust don't give much, but still everyone still seems to do it. I am just trying to understand which brands and parts to take for my mod.
This is very exciting being my 1st mod...
P.S.: yes, love to go to the track. Willow Spring (CA) N.1!
This is very exciting being my 1st mod...
P.S.: yes, love to go to the track. Willow Spring (CA) N.1!
#24
Why do people invest so much (15k+) into performance mods when adding that to the value of your car gets you to a completely different vehicle (especially in the used market)??
I can understand 5-10k for really considerable increases, really I would much rather just spend all of that on DE events and have a blast at the same time (and drive faster).
I can understand 5-10k for really considerable increases, really I would much rather just spend all of that on DE events and have a blast at the same time (and drive faster).
#25
I would spend the $3-4k on drivers ed. I say this not knowing your skill level so if you're advanced then nevermind. But if you've never been on a track or had drivers ed take a few sessions and you'll realize you have more car than you need.
#26
I went with Headers first. Easiest cheapest power mod in my opinion. You get sound and power out of it. It's only about 8 bolts per side and they are changed out. I went with high flow cats, headers, competition intake all from fabspeed and I had my Shop do the Gundo hack on the mufflers - The sound is very GT3 like, a little louder than a stock GT3. I had a friend say it sounded more Ferrari than he was expecting. I also had guys at the track said when my car went by it sounded better than the stock GT3s. I'm guessing with those mods I got about +50 to the crank. My car is certified so no reason to flash just yet for me, but that and the IPD plenum and GT3 throttle body are next. I spent, 2k on the headers, 2k on the cats, and $800 on the intake. So just under $5000
According to Fabspeed
Intake is 18 hp 22 tq gain
Cats are 15 and 12
Headers are 19 and 21
Its all relative to each car and each part but I figure if I add those numbers to the stock crank HP I'm probably pretty close to what it should be.
According to Fabspeed
Intake is 18 hp 22 tq gain
Cats are 15 and 12
Headers are 19 and 21
Its all relative to each car and each part but I figure if I add those numbers to the stock crank HP I'm probably pretty close to what it should be.
#28
I've got a 2006 C2 and had the same thoughts. So far I've done the X51 headers, a Borla catback, an IPD plenum (still running the 74 mm one) and a K&N filter. You can feel the difference although I wouldn't say it could be more than 20-25 HP. I'll upgrade to the GT3 plenum and throttle body next and probably just drive it from that point. By the way, the Borla is pretty loud and I'm not sure I'll keep it.
#29
The gains you get are not cumulative, I have known Joe (owner of Fabspeed) for a very long time (when he just starting out before he had a location), and I have had his exhausts on two of the Porsche's I've owned and a Lamborghini as well. I think there is a lot of confusion about mods and how they truly effect the cars performance. Once again nothing against any vendors. I have spent a long time telling people the same type of thing that the HRE video (which was really well done) has said about wheels, and over the years have tried to explain the same type of things about other mods. I am pretty sure if you ask Joe or any vendor this they will tell you that you are going to have to reprogram your ecu to get the most out of the bolt on mods they offer. When someone asks me what should I do to get the most out of my car, I always say the same thing first, learn your car. Take a drivers course, or just take it somewhere (nice big empty parking lot) turn off the traction controls and find out what you and the car (you will probably find out the car is far more capable than you are) can do together. I built the car in the photos when I post almost 10years ago, before arthritis had taken its toll on me. It has no nannies at all and is far more than I can handle at this stage of my life, and if I bought a brand new Porsche today outside of maybe changing the steering wheel I would leave it stock. Most people who know me would be amazed by that statement, but I am no fool, I know my limitations. I good first step is to learn yours.
#30
anyways, u beating the GTS on that straight can be attributed to ur corner exit speed.
OP: IMO besides adding a turbo/SC, the best way to increase NA performance is by losing weight in the corners. I.E. get a strong light-weight wheels