In looking at the 993 TT to 996 TT they already blew that transition out of the water (993 TT = 400 hp to 996 TT = 420 hp). If they wanted to follow that pattern then they would go to about 440 hp. But Porsche needs to take a look at the world around it and figure out a 20 hp gain will have it quickly falling behind it's competitors. The Corvette Z06 went from 405 to 505 hp, the Ferrari F430 gets 483 hp (from 396 hp), even AMG & BMW M Cars are getting 500+ hp. It's not the traditions you want to follow, it's the competition around you improving by leaps & bounds.

In terms of just buying a chip, or adding exhaust, etc. I am talking about stock for stock. A lot of these other cars you can modify as well. That is just a can of worms.

There are a few different types of Porsche owners/drivers. One is a fanatical Porsche owner that will never buy anything except Porsche no matter if it has 400 hp or 500 hp. Then there are those like me that see other cars on the market, and will test drive other cars, and if the new Porsche doesn't measure up then I would have no problems switching cars. Survival of the fittest/best.

 

Exactly. I hope everybody hates it so I can move up in line.

 

I agree with you Fanman as far as getting what you pay for.
IMO, part of what makes a TT exotic is its speed and ability to do everything well.
I must agree with what you are saying about the competition. I think its pretty crazy that a BMW will have more hp than a TT Porsche!!
I feel Porsche has to up the quality on their new turbo..
They better start looking at the competition better than they have been doing lately.
i feel that the exclusivity has been taken away from the turbo simply because of over production..
I feel that also if they are gonna mass produce a car for what they are charging in todays market they better make it something sick!!

Because everyone else is!!

 

Even though I understand your point, the tt's are so easy to modify reliably that aftermarket modifications can be a legitimate option when considering a tt. The same cannot be said for most other cars, especially if they don't have a force fed engine.

On another note, Porsches usually do fairly well compared to other cars even without a lot of horspower. Consider the 997S VS. the new M5. Even though the M5 has lot more HP, the 997S will still perform better in most situations.

 

I agree with you to a certain extent, but just find it odd/stupid why Porsche then won't give it to you from the factory. In a lot of ways it's like these stupid "S" or powerkit options. It's like you just dropped $130K on your new car, but if you want the best technology Porsche has to offer get ready to pay another $20K. It's like they are indifferent to treating their customers to the best technology. Like paying $80K for a regular Carrera or $130K for a regular TT isn't enough. Now you need a Carrera "S" to compete with the Corvette (whereas in years past the regular Carrera was a more apt comparison. Now if you want 500 hp, Porsche will charge you for the extra powerkit. Ridiculous to me. That is why I have absolutely no sympathy when manufactures/dealers are forced to discount cars. In my mind the Carrera S is what the regular Carrera should have been. Other car owners will then point to the fact that their cars are already cheaper, etc And at that point you open up a can of worms. The Z06 has already shown that with headers, exhaust & intake they are looking at 40+ whp gains, the last thing you need is to justify yourself, as well if I get this, then I will be faster. If you already have K24's, then give us K24's instead of having us have to pay MORE for it.

In your comparison, a more realistic rival would be the M6, not the M5. The M5 is a 4 door sedan. Even though the M6 is still much heavier, and probably lose a track contest to a Carrera S it would blow it's doors off in a straightline race.

 

DJ was on to something when he mentioned twin turbo, 4 wheel drive, complete package etc. The 911 TT has always been a great car. I have no doubt that the 997 TT will perform all its intended duties admirably and reliably with or without 500 hp. I really dont think that Porsche would let Ferrari or GM edge the new 911 TT.
However, its the looks of it that kills me. The styling refuses to grow on me. The 911 has always been a beautiful and timeless design. The 997 certainly continues that tradition. But for the 997 generation, I just wish it would have had more ommph and pzazz like the CS or the 430. Im looking at what RUF and Gemballa are doing for their turbo versions. To me, they look so much better than what the factory puts out. I'm really curious to see what Techart is doing for the TT.
I agree that the 911 TT is the greatest car for a guy that only drives one car. But I'm at a point where one car no longer cuts it.
So for 130 K I'd rather get a nice modena (even though the car is a dog) or maybe dump something else in the garage and get a cs or a 430.
-Peter

 

Fanman,

The car manufacturers can do whatever they want to do for profit/marketing purposes. All we can do is to vote with our wallets. Nobody is twisting our arms to buy their cars - we can take it or leave it. It is our choice.

 

I guess I will keep my Z06 and wait for the 997TT. I expect the 997TT to be at least as fast and definitely better in handling (AWD) and refinement. Of course, it will also be twice the price. I hope it will come with the DSG option from the beginning.

 

Nice car definately a Porsche to consider .......

 

Theres been a lot of discussion about possible HP for the turbo, but any word on the engine size? Will they stick with the current 3.6 or go with a 3.8?

 

That is what we are basically saying. In this case the vote (with my wallet) is "NO."

 

apparently it is the same 3.6 from the 996 tt with some rework and improvement.

 

Does that mean an S version will be based on the 3.6 too? Or will the S be 3.8? Anybody see any concrete info?

 

I dont think anyone has a 100% answer to that... just speculation.

 

Autocar had a full feature,both the standard and S turbo will be based ont he 3.6 engine according to the article.
UK dealers are quoting june delivery to preferred customers.
The HP is estimated at 450 for the standard and 480 ish for the S model.
Don't get carried away with HP figures,power/weight is the deciding factor in performance.