If the GT2 was trying he would of made you look STUPID!

 

Oh and BTW the club coupe is a fantastic car....

 

I didn't say that my Club Coupe is faster. Reading and comprehension are important abilities.

I told you about my experience this morning. How do you expect me to value your understanding of horsepower, torque, weight, gearing and power curves (whatever that is) -- oh, and physics, logic and the experience you talked about (well, you stated you have experience, but I just read a lot of hot air without anything to support it). I also offered to other readers a test to really see how these cars compare. What I have said and offered is a lot more than your meaningless comments.

If you actually have something to offer, I'm all ears. To this point, I think you should have been a lawyer (most are dumb and worthless; some are brilliant). If you have some experience to talk about, let's hear it. Otherwise, you are waisting our time.

By the way, R&T published numbers for the 996TT and 997S (not X51). The 997S was faster 0-60 and they were equal in the 1/4 mile. The last time I looked, the 996TT had more hp (415 vs 355) and more torque (a lot more than 290). The TT is heavier; but not a lot. I suppose R&T is also ignorant?

 

Gerry, are sure it was a GT2? Maybe it was a turbo wanna-be GT2.

 

Stupid is a poor discription. I thought he would have pulled from me -- hard. Especially uphill. He didn't.

 

It said GT2. He had PCCBs. I didn't see inside. It looked like a GT2, but there are fakes out there...

How would I know for sure? Maybe that is why he wouldn't look at me at the red lights???

 

No sunroof is pretty much tell tale.

Assuming it was a real GT2, he didn't know how to drive. That's the only explanation needed. Your car, given experienced drivers, will NEVER get close to a GT2 in acceleration. You can offer to line up, race, whatever. It doesn't matter, you're not going to get close to a GT2 if the guy can drive worth a damn. End of story.

 

LOL....owned!

--- Kevin

PS: IMO a healthy club coupe with its 381HP 3.8L is dead even with a regular 996 TT acceleration wise. And the GT2 is only "measurably" quicker than the regular 996 TT (it'll "walk" it with ease, but its not a "night and day" difference).....hence, with a bad driver in the GT2 as you mentioned I can easily see you keeping up with it as you did. The margin a GT2 is faster than a light, 381HP Club coupe carrera S isn't significant enough where one can seriously mis-drive the GT2 and yet it'll still pull away hard. (stock vs. stock)

...I raced a poorly driven TT once and was even with it in my 996 C2.....the driver redlining it in every gear and executing fast/proper shifts is very important to getting the times/speed out of any car*

 

LEARN from him, boys. I posted this for a discussion. I did NOT state my car was faster than a GT2. I told about an experience! The GT2 may have been an imposter; it could be poorly tunned -- who knows.

Here is a post about EXPERIENCE and he offers INSIGHT! Clearly not a "lawyer" or a pop-off that makes NO contribution whatsoever.

Good job, Kevin. This is a response worth reading -- it says something.

 

Your opinion, or do you have something to back this? Weak, weak, weak.

 

Yes, my opinion, but it might as well be fact. If you can't believe the facts, that's beyond my control. Looks like you're content in your current state of denial. Can't wait for your "I only lost to a Murcielago by 3 car lengths from a roll" thread

 

Reading comprehension? Did I say anywhere here that *you* said your Club was faster? I asked you a simple question, sorry you have a problem with that. And I'm not the only one here saying that the GT2 is faster than your car.


Look bud, I think I'll post my opinion any time I want. Posts here do not have to be based upon 100% experience to carry relevance, or to qualify for some posting litmus test.

Who called who ignorant?

The non-X50 Turbo has been magazine tested at 3.9 sec in the 0-60 run (C&D Sep 2000), and at 11.92 sec in the quarter (Motor Trend).

 

...I don't understand all the animosity here...the 997 Carrera S X51 (or club coupe) is every bit as impressive as a 996 TT...probably more so on the track. A GT2 is definitely a faster car, but not faster enough to mask a bad driver.....a good driver in a 997 911 S X51 would beat a slightly less than average driver in a GT2....the GT2 does high 11's/low 12's in the 1/4 mile @ 120mph.....the 997 S X51 will do it in low 12's @ 116-117mph.....again, a hiccup by the GT2 driver and you're right on his tail in the 997 S X51. (Assuming the drivers are constant, the GT2 would "walk" the 997 S X51 convincingly....but wouldn't "make it look dumb" ..LOL. Sorry, but you must think 456HP makes a car jump time zones, its not ALL THAT. Now with a GIAC stage 2 upgrade and an exhaust yes, you could put an orangutan in the GT2 and it would still pull away hard. But we're talking about stock vs. stock)

--- Kevin

 

I have driven several 997S's. It's a great car. I have also driven a couple of GT2's and if you guys really think there is a comparison than you are stoned IMO. The GT2 will spank a 997S, that's a fact. The only way a 997S can beat a GT2 in a straight line is if the GT2 has a really really bad driver and the 887S driver is a very good driver.

I have raced a 997S in my 965T and spanked him both from a roll and a dead stop.

Christian

 

If you read MY post you'll see I stated the GT2 is faster...I've been in both at speed too thank you...and last time I checked I wasn't "stoned," in fact, I have never been.

--- Kevin

...like I said, a well driven 997 Carrera S "X51" will "hang" with an improperly driven GT2.