I would suggest that the idiot is the guy who puts his car in neutral at a light. Doing so is dangerous, creates unecessary wear on the syncos and serves no good purpose.........as well as holds up traffic. Just put it in first before you stop and leave it there. If you have problems holding down the clutch, you should seek medical help immediately as even a 3 year old can hold the pedal down all day long.

 

Why is it dangerous to be in neutral at a red light? Leaving it in first puts wear and tear on your throwout bearing. In fact, the last time I was at a racing school event, the instructors would continuously harp on us if we left it in gear while waiting with the car not in motion.

 

PbPedis.... Thank you!! Perfectly worded and accurate too!!
I was wondering how to diplomatically point the "idiot" stick back at 1999Porsche911

 

Do you know anyone that has been rearended in their car because they couldn't get their car in gear and pull out the way fast enough? Did that person die at age 16? Ever been involved in an attempted carjacking?

So, let's see,... a throwout bearing, which is designed to last longer than your clutch is changed, each and everytime the clutch is at a cost of less than $1200. A syncro requires transmission tear down at a cost what? In addition, why would you want to heatup your tranny fluid more than necessary?

No wonder so many of your guys have trouble getting it into first gear.

 

Ummmm, my 87 911 had the throwout bearing fail 1 month after I bought it from the original owner. The bill was over $4k when all was said and done, just to replace the $50 bearing......

I will continue to leave it in neutral and pay attention to my surroundings...ie watch the lights, when sitting at a stop light.

 

+1

this is becoming a great thread.

 

There are many examples of people who get ripped off, as you were with you throwout bearing. Maybe your inability to shift the car into first gear while moving would be eliminated if you drove the car the proper way? You should easily be able to shift into first at any speed under 30 mph. If that is not important to you, then don't worry about the syncro since you don't need it or use it anyway.

 

MY knowledge of manual gearboxes???? Let me know when you figure out why more heat is created when in neutral and clutch pedal out. There is nothing worse than a person agruing about things they know nothing about.

Also, can you name the 3 States where is is a tricketable offense to keep a car in neutral while at a stop light or stop sign?

 

Okay, I give. My knowledge of clutches and manual gearboxes obviously doesn’t approach yours but why would a manual gearbox in neutral with the clutch disengaged connected to an idling engine generate more heat that I need to be concerned about?

With the engine at idle and the gearbox in neutral and the clutch out (disengaged) the input shaft would be spinning as would the layshaft gears and the disengaged gears on the output shaft (all at engine idle speed). They would be spinning in a bath of oil under no load. Where is more heat being generated that I need to be concerned about?

There is a difference between more heat and excessive heat. Excessive heat is a bad thing, not normal operating temperature where the gearbox shifts at its best. It has always been my understanding that you need heavy load on the gears to generate excessive heat. Any additional heat generated by gears spinning in a bath of oil at idle under no load doesn’t seem to me to be anything to be overly concerned about, but then again, I’m not the expert here.

 

I don't recall anyone using the phrase "excessive heat" or that heating up the tranny fluid unecessarily was anything to be overly concerned about. It was simply stated as a fact that the fluid will get warmer. This is one of the benefits of idling the car after a cold start while in neutral and clutch out.

 

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Originally Posted by 1999Porsche911

I don't recall anyone using the phrase "excessive heat" or that heating up the tranny fluid unecessarily was anything to be overly concerned about. It was simply stated as a fact that the fluid will get warmer. This is one of the benefits of idling the car after a cold start while in neutral and clutch out.

That’s not quite how you originally put it. Let’s see what you said.

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Originally Posted by 1999Porsche911

…why would you want to heatup your tranny fluid more than necessary?

Let me ask the question again, but in a different way. How much “more than necessary” am I heating up the gear lube by sitting with the gearbox in neutral, the engine at idle and the clutch disengaged? I still don't see where it's a problem.

 

I did not say it was a problem.....just asked why would you want to heat up your tranny fluid more than necessary. I guess I should have also asked why you would use the shaft bearings when you did not have to since the poster was justifying his position by stating he was saving the throwout bearing.

 

wow, 3 pages on why i'm having 1st gear stiffness. and to think, i was ready to leave this thread after the second post.

 

I would add that out of my last 8 manual transmission cars, 5 have periodically had trouble engaging 1st from neutral at a dead stop, including my current C2S. The other 4 cars were not Porsches. The 3 that did not have problems were Audis. So, if it's not normal to not ever have trouble engaging 1st gear, then it sure is a common problem out there.

Oh, I should also add that I'll keep leaving it in neutral at a red light. I've not heard a convincing argument so far to leave it in gear.

 

Like I said earlier......ever think that by keping it in neutral with clutch out is attributing to your shifting problem? I guess you'll never know since you insist on doing the same thing you haeve always done. Give me your car for a day and it will shift as smooth as butter.

58 cars with manual transmission and none of them that had a first gear syncro ever had a problem shiifting into first from a stop or rolling.