998 - Flat 8 Or Not To Flat 8
#32
08-19-2007, 09:16 AM
Well this seems to be getting personal. Opinions are like a-holes...everyone has one and everyone one of them stink 
Some more than others....
Back to the UGLY Blue Wheels. David_J and I will take them off your hands and ebay them. David 50/50 split?
Lighten up in here - there are more serious things happening all around us. Go out and drive - not off a cliff mind you - just drive!!
Some more than others....Back to the UGLY Blue Wheels. David_J and I will take them off your hands and ebay them. David 50/50 split?
Lighten up in here - there are more serious things happening all around us. Go out and drive - not off a cliff mind you - just drive!!
#33
08-19-2007, 09:27 AM
Originally Posted by heavychevy
The flat 6 is near numbered. You can barely squeeze 20 more hp out of the 3.8 GT3 motor. It's days are numbered, losing weight will be a result of aluminum frames etc, because the GT3, GT2 are already optimized for weight loss, there arent many option left.
And you also forget that the GT3 and GT2 models are getting less hardcore than they used to be to appeal to a bigger crowd. More luxury, nannies etc, they wont be getting much lighter.
That being said it would take some serious engineering to make that V8 light weight and not have an even bigger off bias front to rear. But of course the Chevy 7.0 liter V8 is lighter than the flat 6, so it's possible, but the durability would be in question.
I dont think a 4.0 flat 6 would be reliable enough
And you also forget that the GT3 and GT2 models are getting less hardcore than they used to be to appeal to a bigger crowd. More luxury, nannies etc, they wont be getting much lighter.
That being said it would take some serious engineering to make that V8 light weight and not have an even bigger off bias front to rear. But of course the Chevy 7.0 liter V8 is lighter than the flat 6, so it's possible, but the durability would be in question.
I dont think a 4.0 flat 6 would be reliable enough
#34
08-19-2007, 11:40 AM
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yeah ill buy the wheels too then refinish them with some sort of class. They just have that, I'm the guy who can drive around in a flouresent green lambo feeling, to each his own... no hard feelings vin just my opinion of course...
#38
08-19-2007, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by cdaniels
The 3.4 8 cylinder American LeMans P2 engine is the answer....and it probably weights less than the boxer 6 cylinder.
#39
08-19-2007, 06:26 PM
the true rumor is a turbo charger matbe two they could call it a twin turbo na that will never happer ya think???
#40
08-19-2007, 10:44 PM
Originally Posted by dmoney
Hey Alpine your turbo looks *****in, when do you get your new 20's, which wheels are your going with?
Like the ones in the link but in Bright Silver..
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...light=speedart
I wasn't sure if I would get the tires before the wheels. Been looking but the Michelin PS2's were on National Backorder for the 245/35/20's. My connection hooked me up with a set.
Running 245/30/20 on 9" rim and 325/25/20 on 12" rim.
End of month I hope to have these on.
#41
08-19-2007, 11:49 PM
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Be careful ordering 9 inch fronts Alpine have heard can create problems with lock to lock stering, I have a 20 x 8 1/2 with pirelli pzero nero 245 30 20 and 325 25 20 rears on 20 x 12 absolutely no problems what so ever. Just as good as PS2 and less side wall. your not gaining anything more with 9 inch fronts anyway...check out DPE S20's look sick on the turbo imo, but these wheels your talking about are ill too....good luck. If you need I can get you michelins pirellis or conti 3's even tho on back order p.m. if you need. p.s. you beter post pic as soon as the mounting occurs....
#42
08-20-2007, 07:36 AM
Dmoney - Let's hope they know what they are talking about. Lock to Lock rubbing and I will be down someone's neck 
They have ran this size for some time now and I havent' heard any complaints. DPE's are very nice but I wanted to keep it simple.
Appreciate the offer. I got the tires now. I will post.
Sorry for the OT
Back on topic - how about the Flat 8 3.0 from the 908/3? Bump it up a few liters?
They have ran this size for some time now and I havent' heard any complaints. DPE's are very nice but I wanted to keep it simple. Appreciate the offer. I got the tires now. I will post.
Sorry for the OT
Back on topic - how about the Flat 8 3.0 from the 908/3? Bump it up a few liters?
#43
08-20-2007, 08:05 PM
Never going to happen. Too much additional weight out the back will screw up the handling. On top of which you will need more coooling, stronger, bigger brakes, more structural strengthening, all of which lead to yet more weight. The car's already overdue at the Fat Farm.
There are better ways to improve performance. Add light pressure turbos as in the BMW 335i as the lazy option. But the best way to improve performance is to cut weight. Carve off 200kg's and the car would really fly. Charge an extra $15K for the privilage. Aston can do it with the DBS, BMW can do it with the M3 CSL, Ferrari can do it with the 360 CS, Lamborghini do it with the Superleggera.
Why can't Porsche do it on models other than the GT3 Club and RS? An extra $15K for 200kg in weight teduction would be a helluva better deal than the measly X51 performance gain and would probably be a much better all round performer than the TT.
There are better ways to improve performance. Add light pressure turbos as in the BMW 335i as the lazy option. But the best way to improve performance is to cut weight. Carve off 200kg's and the car would really fly. Charge an extra $15K for the privilage. Aston can do it with the DBS, BMW can do it with the M3 CSL, Ferrari can do it with the 360 CS, Lamborghini do it with the Superleggera.
Why can't Porsche do it on models other than the GT3 Club and RS? An extra $15K for 200kg in weight teduction would be a helluva better deal than the measly X51 performance gain and would probably be a much better all round performer than the TT.
#44
08-20-2007, 08:12 PM
LeChef - I agree with you - but if you shave off a couple of hundred pounds then you run into the GT3/RS track category which I think could cannalblize their market niche?
They can make flat 8's as light as 6's perhaps. Would be interesting in the next couple of years to see where it goes for them.
They can make flat 8's as light as 6's perhaps. Would be interesting in the next couple of years to see where it goes for them.
#45
08-20-2007, 08:21 PM
Then they shave off 200kg's from the GT3...
The issue with a flat-8 is not weight per se but where that weight is distributed. Think balance beam and where you put weight to make it move. To match the handling of the flat-6 engined 997, the flat-8 engine would have to be considerably lighter to not impact the polar moment of inertia.
More likely is that Porsche will put a much bigger engine in a Super Cayman to compete with the R8, 430 and Gallardo and leave the 911 to compete with the M3 and Audi TTRS
The issue with a flat-8 is not weight per se but where that weight is distributed. Think balance beam and where you put weight to make it move. To match the handling of the flat-6 engined 997, the flat-8 engine would have to be considerably lighter to not impact the polar moment of inertia.
More likely is that Porsche will put a much bigger engine in a Super Cayman to compete with the R8, 430 and Gallardo and leave the 911 to compete with the M3 and Audi TTRS
Last edited by Le Chef; 08-20-2007 at 08:30 PM.