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CHEVY: '08 Cobalt SS does the 'Ring in 8:22

Very impressive...if these numbers are accurate.

http://www.motivemag.com/pub/news/SE...alt_SS. shtml

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/10/28/o...-bows-at-sema/

The new SS will have the same 260hp Ecotech as the Solstice GXP including a turbo instead of the supercharger. To put this into perspective here is the list from 8:22 and slower:

8:22 - Nissan Skyline GT-R R32, 280 PS/36 kgf·m/1430 kg, Motoharu Kurosawa (Best Motoring - Video Special DVD Series [The R32 GT-R])
8:22 - BMW M3 E46, 343 PS/1584 kg (sport auto 12/00)
8:22 - BMW M Coupe E36/7, 321 PS/1445 kg (sport auto 10/98)
8:22 - Mercedes CLK 63 AMG (fastest AMG test engineer)
8:24 - Subaru Impreza WRX STI, sport tires (Sport Auto 05/04)
8:25 - Jaguar XKR (Sport Auto)
8:25 - Porsche Cayman S (Sport Auto)
8:25 - Audi RS4 375 hp [citation needed]
8:26 - BMW 335i E92 Coupe, 306 hp (Sport Auto)
8:26 - Nissan 350Z (Sport Auto 10/03)
8:28 - Porsche 911 Carrera (993) (Sport Auto 07/97)
8:28 - BMW M5 E39 (previous model), 400 hp [citation needed]
8:32 - Porsche Boxster S (Sport Auto 12/99)
8:35 - BMW M3 E36 Coupe, 321 hp [citation needed]
8:36 - Opel Astra OPC, 240 PS/1355 kg, Manuel Reuter (mfr., Oct 2005), sport compact record holder
8:37 - Mercedes C32 AMG [citation needed]
8:38 - Honda NSX (sport auto, 08/97)
8:39 - MazdaSpeed 3 Mark Ticehurst
8:39 - Honda S2000 (sport auto 01/00)




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After biting our tongues for the last few days while (accurate) speculation surrounding the successor to the Chevy Cobalt SS Supercharged bounced around the web, we're finally able to come clean. This is the turbocharged 2008 Chevy Cobalt SS, and it's being introduced to the world at SEMA this week. Chevy went to great lengths to ensure that the SS badge means more than what it had become in recent years.

Coming in at 260 HP / 260 lb-ft, the SS/TC gains a full 55 horses over the now-defunct SS/SC. Power, of course, is sourced from the same 2.0L direct-injected, turbocharged, intercooled sledgehammer found under the bonnets of the Pontiac Solstice GXP, Saturn Sky Red Line, and forthcoming Chevy HHR SS. The GM Performance Division was tasked with making sure the improved Cobalt SS is well-sorted, and John Heinricy and company dialed in the FE5 sport suspension on the undulating twists and turns of the Nürburgring Nordschleife. The result, says GM, is a track-capable suspension that's still comfortable on the street, and which helps mitigate FWD performance foibles like torque steer.

The standard transmission is the GM Powertrain Sweden F35 short-throw 5-speed manual with a "no-lift shift" feature. This, combined with the punchy turbo four, helps propel the Cobalt SS Turbocharged from 0 to 60 in a scant 5.7 seconds. In fact, GM set a Nürburgring class record for FWD sport compacts with the turbo Cobalt, lapping the Green Hell in 8:22.85. Better braking accompanies the added power with 4-piston fixed-caliper Brembos in front and vented discs with single-piston calipers in the rear. A driver-selectable competition mode with launch control can be enabled from the cockpit. Beyond that, the traction control system can be completely disabled.

Appearance-wise, the Cobalt SS Turbocharged sports a unique front fascia, model-specific rocker panels, forged 18" alloys, a polished exhaust outlet, and a choice of rear wings (low or high). Inside, a boost gauge peeks at the driver from the A-pillar while SS-exclusive sport seats and interior trim dress up the cabin. The Chevy Cobalt SS Turbocharged goes on sale in Q2 of 2008, and if the coupe doesn't strike your fancy, no worries: a sedan version will follow a couple of months later. Honda, Mazda and all the rest are now on notice. There's a new player at the table, and that SS medallion he's rocking is no longer costume jewelery.
 
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The engine features are like ****...
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  • Aluminum cylinder head with stainless steel intake valves and sodium-filled exhaust valves
  • High-pressure engine-driven fuel pump
  • Mobil 1 synthetic oil
 
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Something tells me people will make crazy power from this engine for very very cheap. I will start to be on the look-out for Cobalt SS's.........

Untill i get my supercharger, then the gloves are off. Hurry up APR or AWE.
 
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Great, now I have to worry about SRT4 owners AND SS owners
 
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Great, now I have to worry about SRT4 owners AND SS owners
or just do what I do, ignore them.
 
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The Ecotec motors are no joke, they were making 1,000hp in 2002...

http://www.thecarconnection.com/Enth...247.A5482.html

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GM Prods Ecotec to 1000 HP

The look and sound of drag racing is changing. Once it was territory dominated strictly by Mountain Motor V-8s stuffed into domestic sheetmetal. But the latest dragsters sport compacts, migrating from the street to the strip thanks to the National Hot Rod Association's (NHRA) Summit Sport Compact Race Series.

With plentiful performance parts available, Honda has become the dominant player in front-wheel drive quarter-mile action, with Acura, Mazda, Mitsubishi and Toyota also making inroads. Power adders like high-pressure turbochargers and massive inoculations of nitrous oxide have allowed some diminutive four- and six-cylinder import cars to run the quarter-mile in the high six-second territory at just over 200 miles an hour - performances normally turned in by 500-cubic-inch V-8 pro stock cars.

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Until this season, domestic manufacturers (with the exception of a few privateers) have been noticeably absent in the sport compact staging lanes. That changed this year when General Motors decided to field a two-car factory backed team at all 10 NHRA sport compact events.
The GM racing sport compact team features a Chevrolet Cavalier driven by Nelson Hoyos and a Pontiac Sunfire shoed by Marty Ladwig. Powered by the newly developed Ecotec 2.0 liter factory race engine, both cars seem to violate two time-honored cardinal rules of drag racing; there is no replacement for displacement and no substitute for cubic inches.

Remember that the Ecotec in its stock form puts out 140 horsepower, respectable but not earth-shattering performance for the 2003 Cavalier, Sunfire, ION and VUE in the U.S. What it lacks in displacement it makes up in structural integrity and lightweight design, tipping the scales at around 350 pounds for a complete stock engine. That's a good starting point for someone looking to build power, according to Fred Simmonds, GM's drag racing marketing manager. "It's got all the things a hot rodder would like - from size, weight, and the strength to build power with reliability."

Quest for firepower

But how did GM find more than 1000 ponies with just four cylinders?
The main component of the GM Ecotech race engine is the same aluminum block that can be found living in stock '03 J-bodies and Saturn's ION and VUE. Manufactured with a lost-foam casting process that results in increased strength and decreased weight, the Ecotec in stock form uses aluminum cylinder sleeves.

Race preparation basically involves just two modifications - switching to stainless steel cylinder liners and the use of aftermarket main and head studs. So far the blocks have exceeded GM's technical director for drag racing Russ O'Blenes expectations. "We have blocks with probably 150 to 200 passes on them," he says. "We have had no structural failures to date."
All components in the engine are designed to live in the hostile 9700-rpm racing environment. That means this Ecotec turns 4000 more revs than the stock version. That astronomic engine speed called for a slight reduction in displacement from 2.2 to 2.0 liters, to limit piston speed to manageable velocities. In addition, stock balance shafts that spin at twice engine speed are honed from 4130 steel to survive 20,000-rpm racing launches.

In order to create the 1000-plus horsepower, GM called on two high-performance principles: mass quantities of fuel and air. A lightly tweaked stock head casting with aftermarket stainless valves mounted gulps the atmosphere through a custom fabricated aluminum intake manifold. Eight fuel injectors spray a methanol fuel fog back to the cylinders. "At 1000 horsepower, we run about 1200 POUNDS an hour of fuel through the motor, so four nozzles were just not enough," says O'Blenes. GM dug into its parts bin for the throttle body selecting a stock unit from a 5.3-liter V-8 GM truck. Ignition is handled by an off-the-shelf aftermarket MSD 7 system designed for a small-block Chevy.

But the biggest power adder of them all comes in the form of a quick spool up eight-inch diameter T4 Turbo charger provided by Innovative Turbo Systems. Pressurizing this 2.0-liter engine, the Turbo, with inlet air chilled by an ice-water-filled intercooler, squeezes 40 pounds of boost into the cylinders. The result is big-block race V-8 power without the displacement or speed-robbing weight.

Selling the package

Far from a one-off factory piece, the Chevrolet Ecotec 2.0-liter race engine was designed to be recreated by ambitious sport compact racers, according to GM's O'Blenes.

"What is really exciting is we have put a part number on every piece GM developed for the race program. You can buy a completely race prepared block, a fully CNC ported cylinder head, crank rods, intake manifold," he says. "We try to make sure anything we learned, we make available to the public."
If a 1000-horsepower motor sounds a bit too extreme, GM Performance offers streetable sport compact performance at lower levels. In past years, a lack of go-fast parts availability has eliminated GM vehicles from the minds of the sport-compact crowd. Dan Garrison, Late Model Product Specialist for GM Performance parts, knows the General has to play catch up in the sport compact area. "I do not feel the youth market of today looks to GM as the natural choice," he says. "The car buyers don't feel that GM cares about them and this is our intent to say 'Yeah, we do.'"

Garrison often can be found racing a Quad 4-powered Cavalier mounted with a GM Performance Parts supercharger kit. The blower takes the 2.4-liter Quad 4 to 190 horsepower.

At SEMA, GM Performance Parts intends to fatten up the number of pages and part numbers to its Performance Parts sport compact section. Look for the addition of several power-adding kits for the stock Ecotec with turbo, supercharger and naturally aspirated options all in play, plus a little something to bring the Pontiac Vibe into the street performance category.

For Simmonds, the sport compact program can be boiled down to an old chestnut: race on Sunday, sell on Monday. "We need to sell small cars; we haven't done a very good job of that historically. This gives us the opportunity to showcase the Ecotec engine, and also let these import guys know we are in this very seriously to win in the marketplace."

O'Blenes, who oversaw the development of the racing Ecotec, sees a little bit of history repeating itself. "Since 1955, the small-block Chevy has proven its versatility, durability and performance potential. The Ecotec engine has all the basic mechanical components to repeat that feat."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Family_II_engine#Ecotec

Just look at how flat the torque "curve" is...


 
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Pretty good numbers. Lets just see if the production car is the same as this version.

Sidenote: Anybody can make 1,000hp off a 4 cyl, its just about how much money you are willing to spend. Ever see the 1,000hp street Evo's? They dont use as much fuel, and they dont need 10,000 rpms to make power.
 
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or just do what I do, ignore them.
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Never liked the Cobalts.
 
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Isn't this the Ariel Atom engine?
 
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Isn't this the Ariel Atom engine?
The Atom uses the earlier, supercharged version of the Ecotec, but I'm sure the new LNF will find its way in there sooner or later...

http://www.arielatom.com/index.php?o...=137&Itemid=30

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Introduced in 2004 on the Saturn ION Red Line, the Ecotec 2.0L SC (supercharged) also powers the 2005 Chevrolet Cobalt SS Supercharged coupe. It is compact and lightweight (see specs), and its Eaton M62 supercharger adds 40 percent more power to the Ecotec 2.0L engine compared to a naturally aspirated version. The M62 supercharger utilizes a helical roots compressor and integral pressure control and produces a maximum of 12 psi of boost. The boosted intake flow exits into an all-new matched intake manifold with an integral air-to-liquid heat exchange intake charge cooler system. A compact single-track, six-rib belt supercharger drive system utilizes a linear tensioning device to further strengthen the already impressive system performance and durability. A microprocessor manages the M62 supercharger, fuel, direct spark delivery systems and the engine’s 68-mm electronic throttle control (ETC) system. ETC delivers outstanding throttle response, improved reliability and better integration with cruise control electronics for greater overall performance and driveability.
With supercharged engines it is especially important to maintain a high level of lubrication that is effectively distributed to all moving parts. To that end, the Ecotec 2.0L SC engine is built with a large seven-quart oil sump and a crankshaft-driven pump. A block-mounted oil cooler is included to ensure proper lubricant cooling that promotes long engine life.
The Ecotec 2.0L SC engine is equipped with sequential port fuel injection and a 380 KPa /19.0 g/s returnless fuel delivery system that helps keep fuel cooler for more efficient combustion.
The 2.0L SC engine is built exclusively at the FGP (Fiat-GM Powertrain) engine facility in Kaiserslautern, Germany. This plant uses a die-cast production technique that yields a block that is well suited for high-stress applications including turbocharging and supercharging. Variations of this block are also found in various Saab and Opel models. Compared to the original 2.2-liter Ecotec, the 2.0L SC features the same cylinder bore with a shorter stroke (94.6mm vs. 86.0mm). The shorter stroke helps the engine rev quickly and deliver lively throttle response.
Often referred to as the Global Four Cylinder, the starting point for the 2.0L SC is the Ecotec 2.2L (RPO L61). This engine has leveraged GM Powertrain’s worldwide design and engineering capability by drawing on the best practices of technical centers in North America and Europe. The Ecotec 2.2L created a template for subsequent global powertrain development that laid the groundwork for engines such as Powertrain’s new Global 3.6L V6. Most important, the Ecotec 2.2L is a world-class gasoline engine with obvious benefits for the customer. At 307 pounds fully dressed, the L61 is the lightest engine GM has produced in its displacement class, and one of the most compact four-cylinders in the world.
Before going into production, every Ecotec engine variant is subjected to the toughest and most comprehensive validation process ever carried out at GM, having to pass all of the dynamometer and vehicle tests traditionally run by various GM organizations worldwide, including the most severe trials. Coinciding with the rollout of the Ecotec program, general engine durability testing on lab dynamometers was increased by 60 percent. This has been carried forward to the new Ecotec supercharged engine.
And my point about the Ecotecs making 1,000hp is that they are robust and capable enough to do so reliably, not so much that they actually do it.

http://tunersource.gmblogs.com/Drag-...g-Engine-Specs

Engine Type: Inline 4-cylinder
Displacement: 2.16 Liters
Bore x Stroke: 89mm x 89 mm (destroked for high RPM operation)
Valves/cylinder: 4
Balance Shafts: Removed for high RPM operation
Block: Aluminum (lost foam cast) with steel cylinder liners
Head: Aluminum (sand cast) with custom race porting
Crankshaft: 3.505” Billet Steel
Rods: Manley I-beam, 300M material
Pistons: JE aluminum with 22mm PPP Pins
Compression: 10.8:1
Camshafts: Comp Cams billet custom ground, with roller finger followers
Induction: Borg Warner S400 Turbocharger w/ air to water intercooler
Ignition: Capacitive discharge by MSD
Fuel Delivery: 3 injectors per cylinder with FAST XFI controller
Fuel: Methanol
Lubrication: Dry sump
Exhaust: 4 into 1, custom bent
Horsepower: 1450hp @ 9200rpm
Torque: 940 lb-ft @ 7700rpm
 
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wow thats amazing...
only if it looks better :/
thats the only problem with domestic cars; they look fugly
 
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The styling is definitely terrible, but I can't think of many GM designs that are appealing (besides the Corvette, which is more its own brand).

The front fascia is so boring; I would have trouble picking it out of a crowd. Not to say that crazy bodykits and wings are in order, but that front grill is about as exciting as a Golden Girls rerun.

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/em-20...-turbo/464469/

 
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but that front grill is about as exciting as a Golden Girls rerun.
couldn't have said it better
 
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Haha I just don't get why GM and Dodge make such performance-capable compacts with such vomit-inducing aesthetics. Maybe if this thing got some mesh and brake vents in the right places, a Cobalt Z02 of sorts.
 
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regardless of the looks, an 8:22 is a very respectable time. especially for a car around 20K
 


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