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Old 03-27-2009 | 02:58 AM
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The Camaro SS v8 6 speed: if you like to be a bit faster in the straight line and weight 3850lbs (curb weight) but suffer in the slalom and corner capibilities.

The Challenger SRT-8 6 Speed: If you can live with a car that has their base model at 4080lbs, that looks like the SS from the side.. and the styling.

The Charger SRT-8 5speed/auto: If you can live with an auto, but prefer a better suspension--ride height and how its dimension--aerodynamics, handling, lateral g's and slalom beat the Challengers and Camaro's.

Not the stang.

MotorTrend tested the v8 spd Camaro to run 4.6 0-60mph and the 1/4mile at 13.0@111mph.

I have seen stock if not almost stock Chargers run 4.1-5.0 0-60mph and the 1/4mile at 12.7-13.3 at respective trap speeds.
Really it all depends on how much you learn about the car and if you get a factory freak!

I have also seen stock chargers dyno from 360whp to 395whp. They are rated at 425hp to the crank which is estimated to about 368-372whp on various dynojet branded dyno's.

Oh and for the prices; I priced out a Camaro SS v8 6spd with the 426hp and all the best toys (sunroof,audio,HID's,lightest rims) and it came to about $46XXX plus whatever the dealership will add on to that. So I think around $48 000 (CAD). The charger for the 2009 model (which I only liked the 2007 version, due to various reasons) was about $3500.00 (CAD) cheaper. This is all variable to the area/region/country/dealership you are working with.

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Not the stang.

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Why not the stang? He said he wants to mod for fast straight line performance, and the Shelby is the fatest and easiest to modify from the start.
 
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Nope its being made. To the OP, what are your goals for the car?
I want something that accelerates like a rocket. I had a Ford F150 Lightning and miss breaking the rear end loose at every stop sign. Big horse power - not worried about cornering - just fast in a straight line.
 
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Well I thought you guys were talking about the Mustang gt. If it is a new shelby and you have the extra cash. Then go for it and get a tune/boost increase. The camaro is looking to be a fast straight line car aswell. Might edge out alot of cars. Might as well buy a fairly new/used 2004 Cobra and put a whipple on it. Would cost under 40k.

My charger with a few minor mods and new extreme performance street rear tires can hang with a viper srt-10 from 50km/h-180km/h. (this was with 2 other people in it). It has beat a Mustang gt with 100shot of nitrous, underdrive pullies, exhaust,intake,dyno tune and all the other little stuff. Roush mustangs, etc etc etc. Really it all depends.

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The Camaro SS v8 6 speed: if you like to be a bit faster in the straight line and weight 3850lbs (curb weight) but suffer in the slalom and corner capibilities.

The Challenger SRT-8 6 Speed: If you can live with a car that has their base model at 4080lbs, that looks like the SS from the side.. and the styling.

The Charger SRT-8 5speed/auto: If you can live with an auto, but prefer a better suspension--ride height and how its dimension--aerodynamics, handling, lateral g's and slalom beat the Challengers and Camaro's.

Not the stang.

MotorTrend tested the v8 spd Camaro to run 4.6 0-60mph and the 1/4mile at 13.0@111mph.

I have seen stock if not almost stock Chargers run 4.1-5.0 0-60mph and the 1/4mile at 12.7-13.3 at respective trap speeds.
Really it all depends on how much you learn about the car and if you get a factory freak!

I have also seen stock chargers dyno from 360whp to 395whp. They are rated at 425hp to the crank which is estimated to about 368-372whp on various dynojet branded dyno's.

Oh and for the prices; I priced out a Camaro SS v8 6spd with the 426hp and all the best toys (sunroof,audio,HID's,lightest rims) and it came to about $46XXX plus whatever the dealership will add on to that. So I think around $48 000 (CAD). The charger for the 2009 model (which I only liked the 2007 version, due to various reasons) was about $3500.00 (CAD) cheaper. This is all variable to the area/region/country/dealership you are working with.

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I have never seen a more wrong and biased post in my life, please just erase the whole post. The GT500 is the # 1 choice if only going fast in a straight line is a concern. It has all of the hardware you need including a solid axle. With a Kenne Bell/ Whipple or turbo's on stock internals the car will run into the 9's with pretty minimal mods.

The Camaro is 2nd with LS3's easily putting down 500 RWHP with a cam change only, but handicapped in a straight line by the IRS. And at 3800 lbs a little bit lighter than the GT500. With boost and drag radials pretty easy to get into the low 10's/ high 9's. Also the Camaro is the handling car of the group with a great chassis and the IRS.

Challenger handles the worse by a large margin and weighs the most, the 6.1 Hemi does however love boost. But it being the heaviest it will take the most power to make fast, it is also quite a bit more expensive to modify than the other two cars.
 
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Old 03-27-2009 | 01:55 PM
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Ok first of all, there is no way the Camaro will put down 500whp with a cam change only. So you are saying a cam will give you from 370whp to 500whp?
You are also throwing getting into the 10's and high9's like its candy. You know how hard it is to get into the 9's with some of these cars. And how much supporting mods they actually have to achieve this? The camaro actually had a worse average speed through the cones.. how does it do better in handling? Even motortrend said the handleing felt icky. And yes the challenger does handle worse, but a Charger srt-8 is different and beats the challenger in breaking/acceleration/handling.. throughout numerous tests, and SRT engineers stated why.
Also the 6.1Hemi does not love boost, because it has a weak bottom end and the pistons suck. Hence why people only boost the engine to 550-600whp for daily driven. But I have seen a twin rear mount turbo challenger with 16psi on 93octane dyno 850whp. Really it is a toss up on what you like.
PLus any car with a supercharger/turbo will be able to put down good straight line performance. I've seen a modified charger r/t run a 10.3 at the 1/4mile. That is a full weight LX with a 426hemi(no forced induction).
 
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I don't spout off useless info, if you had more than 9 posts you would know that.

GT500 on radials, with stock short block and the mods listed below.

2008 GT 500 Mods
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We just finished another LS3 build on a 08 C6 M6 with NPP catback.

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Notice it says another one, notice this is a cam and bolt ons car. Sorry, but I could not let you lend your lies and bias to this thread....your spouting off alot of nonsense.
 
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So you show me a dyno of a corvette? the way the power is dished out compared to a Camaro SS 2010, will be much different. You are comparing two different things. And it is not just a "cam" change only, now you have sounded stupid. Also that gt500 has a few modifications, do any of the same to a SRT-8/camaro SS. you will get into the same 10.4's range as is posted on the slip. Like I said there was a full weight Charger that ran a 10.3 at 130mph.
Would you like a video?

I am lost in what you are trying to prove now? haha..
Nothing I said was biased, I said it is a toss up and if you are going to mod, any of those cars will get the same times with similar mods. The price ranges I posted was using the dealership webpages. Trying to give actually real help. Read my posts more carefully next time?

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You said not the Mustang, which obviously is the straight line king. And you said that the SRT8 handles better than the Camaro SS which is not true as well. Your bias told me what car you own, I bet my post won't tell you what car I own!

And you may wan't to read up on what " cam only " means. An LS3 is an LS3 if anything the Vette with its rear mounted transaxle would put less to the ground than the more traditional Camaro SS.

Fact, all things being equal a car that weighs less will require less power to go fast...it's not rocket science. That fact makes the SRT8 the worse one for the original poster's purpose. Fact the Mustang 5.4 and the Camaro LS3 have much larger aftermarket support for them. Fact the SRT8 will be the most expensive one to modify.
 
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Old 03-27-2009 | 04:13 PM
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You said not the Mustang, which obviously is the straight line king. And you said that the SRT8 handles better than the Camaro SS which is not true as well. Your bias told me what car you own, I bet my post won't tell you what car I own!

And you may wan't to read up on what " cam only " means. An LS3 is an LS3 if anything the Vette with its rear mounted transaxle would put less to the ground than the more traditional Camaro SS.

Fact, all things being equal a car that weighs less will require less power to go fast...it's not rocket science. That fact makes the SRT8 the worse one for the original poster's purpose. Fact the Mustang 5.4 and the Camaro LS3 have much larger aftermarket support for them. Fact the SRT8 will be the most expensive one to modify.
Once I noticed they were talking about the Shelby, then I said it would be a good choice, also said it is a toss up. The Charger does have faster slalom speeds then the camaro. There have been posted times faster then the 2010 Camaro so far and similar with the gt500. I said all are a good choice, depending on what you like.. and about the "cam only" on the Camaro. You can't say it will produce 500whp with the list of mods or respective combination, becuase no one has done it. let it come out and see what it takes to get the car up to 500whp, becuase it will be more then that. You are talking about 130whp(est) increase!! Also the aftermarket region for the camaro/shelby are similar to the srt-8. It will also cost about the same, and they will do the same with performance. You are stretching it a bit going with the this and that mod. lets keep to stock if not some minor mods.
 
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I can say it will, because the Camaro has an LS3...the exact same LS3 as the Corvette. Since GM first created the Camaro it shared engines with the Vette, and guess what those engines always produced very close to the same RWHP between the two cars.

It's the exact same LS3 that the Vette gets so it will put out very close to the same RWHP.

And the OP isn't looking to stay stock he is looking for a straight line beast. And for his goals the GT500 is king, and the Camaro is 2nd.
 
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http://www.evoperform.com/GT500/tt8.wmv

I think this car would easily beat the worlds fastest Challenger, just guessing.
 
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I am actually in talks with those guys about getting similar performance .

Haha now isn't that coiencidence. But my link is trying to prove what performance can be had with just N/A
 


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