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Old 03-08-2012 | 08:23 AM
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Havent read your thread more that the first two lines cause its a waste of time i suppose. The only funny thing however is that track on video. Just put some 22" chrome wheels and take it on the streets to amuse your neighbours...
 
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Originally Posted by Daekwan
You answered your own question. AWD.

Pretty simple to just point and shoot.



The main reason why you dont see AWD in most professional racing series, is because it takes less skill to drive an AWD car at its limit than it does a RWD on pretty much any surface. And this remains true, under pretty much any driving conditions. The only places where you even see AWD cars allowed to race professionally, are on loose/muddy/dirt/snow/ice terrain where again skill is needed to drive the car at its limit. People watch a race, because they want to see competition and skill.. not repetition and technology.

Dont take it personal.. I'm not saying driving a GTR requires no skill at all. But driving a GTR at its limit.. vs driving any other 500hp+ RWD sports car at its limit.. does require much LESS skill. It takes a driver with much more skill to control an extremely powerful RWD vehicle, and many more things that can go wrong with a lesser skilled driver, which is why its more exciting for race fans to watch.

Personally speaking, as a Corvette fan, I would love to see an AWD option offered on the next generation C7. It would please traditional Vette enthusiasts who wish to keep their huge burnout, fishtailing, American hotrods. And it would appeal to other enthusiasts who are more concerned with overall performance, traction and a vehicle thats easier to drive.. regardless of HP.
Not all AWD is point and shoot. Two things:

#1 Show me one crew chief that says - I'd rather give my driver a challenge, and make it harder to win. Show me one team owner. Show me a manufacturer that states - we sell this car, because it is harder and more challenging to drive - making it more likely to either go slower (with an average driver), or easier to wreck.

#2 I prefer RWD to FWD, though. FWD is just plain wrong. BUT - there is FWD ALL OVER motorsports! There is plenty of RWD. Please take that example that you just made about AWD not being challenging (and we'll ignore GT-R's, Audi's, Porsche's, and Subaru's in current motorsports (a few of which have been converted to RWD anyway, but we'll ignore those as well)), and ask why FWD is used by motorsports teams. Please just take your position vs AWD and apply it to FWD. I'm curious now.

Regarding motorsports, every team member I've ever spoken to about these similar topics have responded very similarly - they'd rather remove every single distraction from the driver as possible, allowing him/her to focus on driving (see traction control in F-1 for example, notice the amount of wrecks, launches, position changes before, during, and after traction control was allowed in F-1. This completely removes RWD vs AWD as the entire point. It goes back to engineering and technology, not AWD).
 

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Old 03-08-2012 | 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Daekwan
Depends on how you measure "performance".

Do you think a drag racer really cares how many G's his vehicle can pull on a corner skidpad? Or how quickly his brakes will fade after continuous stops back to back?

Many people only care about horsepower, because its the only "performance" capability they are interested in. "How fast does it go?" is probably the most commonly asked question when someone is talking about any sports car, from any racing series, from pretty much any period in history. Its also the most common form of racing, where on any given opportunity.. you have one vehicle trying to go faster than another vehicle.. even if they are not technically "racing".

Of course there are those who prefer handling and braking over outright horsepower. Its the reason why cars like the Miata, Cayman, 3series BMW, etc are also popular. Fortunately.. all current bodystyle Corvettes handle well, brake well and have more than enough horsepower to satisfy most people. That still doesn't mean purchasing one, instantly makes you a skilled driver. Many people overestimate their driving ability and what their vehicle is capable of. There are also several experienced drivers who still have not mastered the torque output from a high-output V8, especially when paired with a RWD, lightweight vehicle. For the average-advanced driver.. traction control is the saving grace that allows these vehicles to enjoyed at their limit.
Although this was not directed at me, I do not disagree with too much here.

I believe this is a big reason that explains the recent success of the new Mustang (and all of its trim levels ranging from a 5HP V6 to a 8000HP factory monster). It goes, stops, has cool radio stuff, and can turn pretty darn well.

Traction control. You've hit it on the head. Technology. This is engineering. Keeping drivers on the road is not a step backwards - it's progress. Now, are there any other technologies that can enable MORE of that power to be used every day?

Wheel spin = almost no power applied to the ground. 0HP<500HP. Once a driver has no power applied to the ground, for the drag racer it's game over, for the road course driver, there is no grip, weight control, etc... You better believe that those motorsports teams apply as much grip as possible to every single car in every single race. They don't just say - the car is RWD, so drive carefully.
 

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Originally Posted by mikegr
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Havent read your thread more that the first two lines cause its a waste of time i suppose. The only funny thing however is that track on video. Just put some 22" chrome wheels and take it on the streets to amuse your neighbours...
Huh?!?! again you make no sense, congrats on continuing to make yourself look like a fool each time
 
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Here is one of the little cousin Camaro crashing??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=NTgumJ5MeFk
 
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