What's wrong with Vette's??
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Ford GT is the best American Car ever made - no contest.
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^^ your list above is almost all AWD cars. 
The Ferrari's have no torque (and lets face it, who's driving a 458 hard?). The GT2 will bite your ***, just like a Z06.
It's the driver, really, but...
The tires have sucked on the Z's. Likewise, the rear shock dampening in '06 created rough-road bump steer. The car is still living that brief period of time down.
If buying new, an upgrade to the Z07 package (Pilot Sports and dual mode mag-shocks) should keep all but the completely novice/foolish out of the weeds. (provided said novice simply leaves the traction/stability controls on).
The Ferrari's have no torque (and lets face it, who's driving a 458 hard?). The GT2 will bite your ***, just like a Z06.
It's the driver, really, but...
The tires have sucked on the Z's. Likewise, the rear shock dampening in '06 created rough-road bump steer. The car is still living that brief period of time down.
If buying new, an upgrade to the Z07 package (Pilot Sports and dual mode mag-shocks) should keep all but the completely novice/foolish out of the weeds. (provided said novice simply leaves the traction/stability controls on).
But you are absolutely correct - it is the driver. My point was - the ability to apply power to the ground is a blend of engineering and driver ability (not talent - this can be taught). I wasn't necessarily referring to any one arena (track/street/inclement weather, etc...), but just an all around feel. And yes, my opinion is skeewwwwwed dangerously far off one side, now that I've experienced a car that I still haven't been able to get out of shape (unless it was done on purpose, to try find its/my limits).
I agree with jaspergtr
Some people think that the more power they buy the better, but actually the outcome can be different
take a look at this for example
http://www.fastestlaps.com/compariso...arrera_4s.html
as expected the C6 will demolish 4s on a drag race, being more powerfull and lighter,
however driven on the track its actually slower and this cannot change by any driver since both are tested by experts. Imagine the 996tt comparing a C6 on a wet track...
Some people think that the more power they buy the better, but actually the outcome can be different
take a look at this for example
http://www.fastestlaps.com/compariso...arrera_4s.html
as expected the C6 will demolish 4s on a drag race, being more powerfull and lighter,
however driven on the track its actually slower and this cannot change by any driver since both are tested by experts. Imagine the 996tt comparing a C6 on a wet track...
Have you driven a stock Z06 on a road course? It is a very fast manageable car. And I'm talking about an '07 without any of the new suspension, brake or tire upgrades.
Again, it is the driver. Most people don't have the experience to drive a 500+hp car.
Torque. Especially low end and mid range. My Z06 (modded) makes as much torque at 3000 rpm as some of those cars make peak. You can't just come out of a corner and mash the throttle unless you want to go spinning around.
I also have a modded GT2 and it is an absolute handful in a straight line or corners.
The cars on your list are awd or have no torque to speak of.
Again, it is the driver. Most people don't have the experience to drive a 500+hp car.
Torque. Especially low end and mid range. My Z06 (modded) makes as much torque at 3000 rpm as some of those cars make peak. You can't just come out of a corner and mash the throttle unless you want to go spinning around.
I also have a modded GT2 and it is an absolute handful in a straight line or corners.
The cars on your list are awd or have no torque to speak of.
I do NOT have that ability. This is what I was referring to in my own personal experiences... I purposely have shifted my taste of cars towards AWD, because of their ability to transfer what my foot is doing to the movement of the car. I'm NOT suggesting the C6Z is not able to do this - what I am saying is my ability allows me to do this easier, with less effort in most AWD cars. After driving VIR in the freezing rain (literally), I have a new respect for AWD cars.
LOL @ jaspergtr ...lets compare an AWD to a RWD car....let me remind you where KING(C6Z) is on the times sheet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...eife_lap_times
RWD cars are just harder to drive at their limits and not as forgiving as AWD cars but then again thats what makes them fun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...eife_lap_times
RWD cars are just harder to drive at their limits and not as forgiving as AWD cars but then again thats what makes them fun
Please allow me to clarify - I've wanted a Corvette for a while, but it is hard to convince the wife that it is needed/necessary for anything (in addition to the Nissan). Just this past weekend, though, I found a base C6 - was driving by a dealership, and said,"Wow, that's pretty. Can you make out the price on the sticker?" (as we drive by).
My wife responded with the price. I replied,"Man, that sounds like a good deal at first glance. Perhaps we can go look at it this week."
She answered,"Okay."
Yayyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!
The C6 is the first 'Vette that I've just wanted since its inception. My fear - is that the C7 is going to be THAT much better.
I'm hoping the LeMans R&D translates to road cars soon (referring to the new mid-engined Corvettes that just raced in 24hrs of Daytona).
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02-07-2012 | 06:32 AM
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Sure, the Ford GT is amazing, and the Viper ACR is a race car for the street. But the 'Vette has been around for decades, setting the bar for performance.
I think the Ford GT was a swing, hit - home run. But the 'Vettes are like the Rod Carew of motorsports - always hitting over .300 - you know you're getting a beast, everytime, since the beginning (of its era, let's avoid the '70s).
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I think the Corvette has consistently been the pinnacle of American engineering (as a whole).
Sure, the Ford GT is amazing, and the Viper ACR is a race car for the street. But the 'Vette has been around for decades, setting the bar for performance.
I think the Ford GT was a swing, hit - home run. But the 'Vettes are like the Rod Carew of motorsports - always hitting over .300 - you know you're getting a beast, everytime, since the beginning (of its era, let's avoid the '70s).
Sure, the Ford GT is amazing, and the Viper ACR is a race car for the street. But the 'Vette has been around for decades, setting the bar for performance.
I think the Ford GT was a swing, hit - home run. But the 'Vettes are like the Rod Carew of motorsports - always hitting over .300 - you know you're getting a beast, everytime, since the beginning (of its era, let's avoid the '70s).
Certainly the technology available in something like a ZR1 is > a FGT. The look/rawness of the GT however, will not likely be replicated again - domestically.
Should be interesting to see what Chevy delivers for the C7.
Love the Carew reference.. hero of mine when I was a kid.
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Definitely a test mule...
If Corvette comes out with AWD - they will alienate almost all of the cold blooded American fan base, but perhaps gain a new identity. I do not support AWD for the 'Vette, in theory, because it goes against the tried and true - High HP/big displacement V8, RWD, Engine in front, etc...
BUT - they could gain a world-wide recognition of engineering if they could take all of that technology and place it in a car that will no longer be featured on youtube for its crashes/wrecks (some while going straight).
I've been saying for years now that Chevy needs to do something to keep up with the rest of the world as far as engineering (mid-engined, AWD, DCT, etc...). Heritage is great, but only if you learn from it.
I'd recommend keeping the base model C6/7 style, in economy format, to appeal to the masses (you guys know what I mean - automatic base models are the most popular trim by sale numbers). But what if - there was an AWD trim? Or a DCT version (a la PDK)?
The issue with this is, all of the testing R&D Chevy does, these 'little' things drastically change the dynamics and weight control of the car. It does not seem feasible to introduce these features piece by piece. But it also seems too risky to jump, both feet in, and see what happens.
I personally feel the C7 will be the safe evolution of the C6 (as it should be), addressing all of the concerns about the predecessor - better interior, addressing technology, ride quality, etc...
BUT - I'm secretly hoping that Chevy takes a page out of Ferrari's book, and make something with AWD (FF), but make it prettier (easily done).
If Corvette comes out with AWD - they will alienate almost all of the cold blooded American fan base, but perhaps gain a new identity. I do not support AWD for the 'Vette, in theory, because it goes against the tried and true - High HP/big displacement V8, RWD, Engine in front, etc...
BUT - they could gain a world-wide recognition of engineering if they could take all of that technology and place it in a car that will no longer be featured on youtube for its crashes/wrecks (some while going straight).
I've been saying for years now that Chevy needs to do something to keep up with the rest of the world as far as engineering (mid-engined, AWD, DCT, etc...). Heritage is great, but only if you learn from it.
I'd recommend keeping the base model C6/7 style, in economy format, to appeal to the masses (you guys know what I mean - automatic base models are the most popular trim by sale numbers). But what if - there was an AWD trim? Or a DCT version (a la PDK)?
The issue with this is, all of the testing R&D Chevy does, these 'little' things drastically change the dynamics and weight control of the car. It does not seem feasible to introduce these features piece by piece. But it also seems too risky to jump, both feet in, and see what happens.
I personally feel the C7 will be the safe evolution of the C6 (as it should be), addressing all of the concerns about the predecessor - better interior, addressing technology, ride quality, etc...
BUT - I'm secretly hoping that Chevy takes a page out of Ferrari's book, and make something with AWD (FF), but make it prettier (easily done).
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My two cents....
Owned a head and cammed vette, supercharged nsx and on my third viper purchase.
Two adress the porshe owner. The 2003 srt viper was running 7.50s at the ring back in 2003. Nearly ten years ago before people even knew about the ring. Let me tell you high 7s back then was sickening.
The 2008 non acr can do high 7.20s and the 2010 acr laid down a record breaking 7.12.
Even the 90s vipers dominated t1
There are 9900 srt10 vipers made in the world from 03-2010...just how rare is that? Well for comparison there are over 10,000 gallardos in the world.
Viper is an very rare car with a heck of a pedigree and it commands attention.
Ive been to more than a few car meets were you had twenty differant variants of porshes all lined up. Anything from 60k caymans to 160k fully opioned gt2s tts ect.
Guess what. When the ten year old yellow srt10 rolls in with its lil 84k pricetag it steals the crowd as its a one off vehicle and not another variant of the same car like all the porshes lined up.
Are the p cars nice.sure. Not my idea of masculine but nice cars. Does a 160k p car look a lot differant than a 60k p car to most at the meets.
Nope
When you own a viper the experience is somthing differant. mine is modified at 620 hp with a cam air intake and tune but even stock its a rough obnoxious car with 13 inch rear tires that can and will kill you if you dont gradually learn the car.
But thats its charm. You litterally feel like your learning to become a bull rider and when you finally do get comfortable enough to drive with one hand and hit corners at high rates of speed you actually feel rewarded.
My nsx on the other hand with an adjustable suspension and very weak power delivery...i mastered the supercharged 350 hp in a few days. I drove it to get mcdonalds and my viper to challange my self and have the holy **** smile after a few curves and a 60-130 mph blast in 7 seconds.
I think p cars look generic despite the price much like corvettes and are for chicks. Perhaps i should own one for a few months before blatantly degradeing them. Perhaps you should do the same with the viper.
As for the vette they dont make that much torque. Try 350 tq for a non z06 and 430 tq for the z06.
My stock 99 viper put down 465 rwt and the stock 03 put down 490 tq on the dyno.
The problem with the vette that I felt when mine was 370 rwhp is that sure it felt fast but never uncontrollable. Its like the perfect meeting place for the vettes. Say 360 rwhp and 370 tq. Just enough to make you smile but also just under the number to start giving you fits..
So they daily drive this 50k car to work and soccer games ect and just push the gas pedal at any rpm in any gear day after day and it just hooks and goes.
To the point that on a 40 degree morning or even in the rain they are so used to the camry like stick and go that they forget their 50k daily driver is capable of 12.4 at 116 mph and then bam you see these videos.
My vette was a very good car. Its not the car. Its just not respecting weather and road conditions
Owned a head and cammed vette, supercharged nsx and on my third viper purchase.
Two adress the porshe owner. The 2003 srt viper was running 7.50s at the ring back in 2003. Nearly ten years ago before people even knew about the ring. Let me tell you high 7s back then was sickening.
The 2008 non acr can do high 7.20s and the 2010 acr laid down a record breaking 7.12.
Even the 90s vipers dominated t1
There are 9900 srt10 vipers made in the world from 03-2010...just how rare is that? Well for comparison there are over 10,000 gallardos in the world.
Viper is an very rare car with a heck of a pedigree and it commands attention.
Ive been to more than a few car meets were you had twenty differant variants of porshes all lined up. Anything from 60k caymans to 160k fully opioned gt2s tts ect.
Guess what. When the ten year old yellow srt10 rolls in with its lil 84k pricetag it steals the crowd as its a one off vehicle and not another variant of the same car like all the porshes lined up.
Are the p cars nice.sure. Not my idea of masculine but nice cars. Does a 160k p car look a lot differant than a 60k p car to most at the meets.
Nope
When you own a viper the experience is somthing differant. mine is modified at 620 hp with a cam air intake and tune but even stock its a rough obnoxious car with 13 inch rear tires that can and will kill you if you dont gradually learn the car.
But thats its charm. You litterally feel like your learning to become a bull rider and when you finally do get comfortable enough to drive with one hand and hit corners at high rates of speed you actually feel rewarded.
My nsx on the other hand with an adjustable suspension and very weak power delivery...i mastered the supercharged 350 hp in a few days. I drove it to get mcdonalds and my viper to challange my self and have the holy **** smile after a few curves and a 60-130 mph blast in 7 seconds.
I think p cars look generic despite the price much like corvettes and are for chicks. Perhaps i should own one for a few months before blatantly degradeing them. Perhaps you should do the same with the viper.
As for the vette they dont make that much torque. Try 350 tq for a non z06 and 430 tq for the z06.
My stock 99 viper put down 465 rwt and the stock 03 put down 490 tq on the dyno.
The problem with the vette that I felt when mine was 370 rwhp is that sure it felt fast but never uncontrollable. Its like the perfect meeting place for the vettes. Say 360 rwhp and 370 tq. Just enough to make you smile but also just under the number to start giving you fits..
So they daily drive this 50k car to work and soccer games ect and just push the gas pedal at any rpm in any gear day after day and it just hooks and goes.
To the point that on a 40 degree morning or even in the rain they are so used to the camry like stick and go that they forget their 50k daily driver is capable of 12.4 at 116 mph and then bam you see these videos.
My vette was a very good car. Its not the car. Its just not respecting weather and road conditions
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02-16-2012 | 11:10 AM
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My two cents....
Owned a head and cammed vette, supercharged nsx and on my third viper purchase.
Two adress the porshe owner. The 2003 srt viper was running 7.50s at the ring back in 2003. Nearly ten years ago before people even knew about the ring. Let me tell you high 7s back then was sickening.
The 2008 non acr can do high 7.20s and the 2010 acr laid down a record breaking 7.12.
Even the 90s vipers dominated t1
There are 9900 srt10 vipers made in the world from 03-2010...just how rare is that? Well for comparison there are over 10,000 gallardos in the world.
Viper is an very rare car with a heck of a pedigree and it commands attention.
Ive been to more than a few car meets were you had twenty differant variants of porshes all lined up. Anything from 60k caymans to 160k fully opioned gt2s tts ect.
Guess what. When the ten year old yellow srt10 rolls in with its lil 84k pricetag it steals the crowd as its a one off vehicle and not another variant of the same car like all the porshes lined up.
Are the p cars nice.sure. Not my idea of masculine but nice cars. Does a 160k p car look a lot differant than a 60k p car to most at the meets.
Nope
When you own a viper the experience is somthing differant. mine is modified at 620 hp with a cam air intake and tune but even stock its a rough obnoxious car with 13 inch rear tires that can and will kill you if you dont gradually learn the car.
But thats its charm. You litterally feel like your learning to become a bull rider and when you finally do get comfortable enough to drive with one hand and hit corners at high rates of speed you actually feel rewarded.
My nsx on the other hand with an adjustable suspension and very weak power delivery...i mastered the supercharged 350 hp in a few days. I drove it to get mcdonalds and my viper to challange my self and have the holy **** smile after a few curves and a 60-130 mph blast in 7 seconds.
I think p cars look generic despite the price much like corvettes and are for chicks. Perhaps i should own one for a few months before blatantly degradeing them. Perhaps you should do the same with the viper.
As for the vette they dont make that much torque. Try 350 tq for a non z06 and 430 tq for the z06.
My stock 99 viper put down 465 rwt and the stock 03 put down 490 tq on the dyno.
The problem with the vette that I felt when mine was 370 rwhp is that sure it felt fast but never uncontrollable. Its like the perfect meeting place for the vettes. Say 360 rwhp and 370 tq. Just enough to make you smile but also just under the number to start giving you fits..
So they daily drive this 50k car to work and soccer games ect and just push the gas pedal at any rpm in any gear day after day and it just hooks and goes.
To the point that on a 40 degree morning or even in the rain they are so used to the camry like stick and go that they forget their 50k daily driver is capable of 12.4 at 116 mph and then bam you see these videos.
My vette was a very good car. Its not the car. Its just not respecting weather and road conditions
Owned a head and cammed vette, supercharged nsx and on my third viper purchase.
Two adress the porshe owner. The 2003 srt viper was running 7.50s at the ring back in 2003. Nearly ten years ago before people even knew about the ring. Let me tell you high 7s back then was sickening.
The 2008 non acr can do high 7.20s and the 2010 acr laid down a record breaking 7.12.
Even the 90s vipers dominated t1
There are 9900 srt10 vipers made in the world from 03-2010...just how rare is that? Well for comparison there are over 10,000 gallardos in the world.
Viper is an very rare car with a heck of a pedigree and it commands attention.
Ive been to more than a few car meets were you had twenty differant variants of porshes all lined up. Anything from 60k caymans to 160k fully opioned gt2s tts ect.
Guess what. When the ten year old yellow srt10 rolls in with its lil 84k pricetag it steals the crowd as its a one off vehicle and not another variant of the same car like all the porshes lined up.
Are the p cars nice.sure. Not my idea of masculine but nice cars. Does a 160k p car look a lot differant than a 60k p car to most at the meets.
Nope
When you own a viper the experience is somthing differant. mine is modified at 620 hp with a cam air intake and tune but even stock its a rough obnoxious car with 13 inch rear tires that can and will kill you if you dont gradually learn the car.
But thats its charm. You litterally feel like your learning to become a bull rider and when you finally do get comfortable enough to drive with one hand and hit corners at high rates of speed you actually feel rewarded.
My nsx on the other hand with an adjustable suspension and very weak power delivery...i mastered the supercharged 350 hp in a few days. I drove it to get mcdonalds and my viper to challange my self and have the holy **** smile after a few curves and a 60-130 mph blast in 7 seconds.
I think p cars look generic despite the price much like corvettes and are for chicks. Perhaps i should own one for a few months before blatantly degradeing them. Perhaps you should do the same with the viper.
As for the vette they dont make that much torque. Try 350 tq for a non z06 and 430 tq for the z06.
My stock 99 viper put down 465 rwt and the stock 03 put down 490 tq on the dyno.
The problem with the vette that I felt when mine was 370 rwhp is that sure it felt fast but never uncontrollable. Its like the perfect meeting place for the vettes. Say 360 rwhp and 370 tq. Just enough to make you smile but also just under the number to start giving you fits..
So they daily drive this 50k car to work and soccer games ect and just push the gas pedal at any rpm in any gear day after day and it just hooks and goes.
To the point that on a 40 degree morning or even in the rain they are so used to the camry like stick and go that they forget their 50k daily driver is capable of 12.4 at 116 mph and then bam you see these videos.
My vette was a very good car. Its not the car. Its just not respecting weather and road conditions
, when you learn to drive a Viper hard, there's not many cars that are it's equal in terms of capabilities and feel, makes you feel like a 5yr old raiding a candy store lol. I remember even at Sebring a 996 GT2 owner talking smack as I guess he hadn't run into many Vipers or well driven ones... needless to say he didn't talk smack after getting handed a smack down on the track. Can't wait for the 13' to get back into one.
Remember Paul Mumford, for those that don't know, incredible driver whom passed away in an plane accident. But he showed what the Viper even back then could do, destroying unlimited cars on street tires lol, and even taking on and beating full factory backed raced teams.
http://www.nsxfiles.com/mumford.htm
When Oreca was campaigning the Vipers, nobody was close, they destroyed the field in various classes for a few years. But then came handicaps up the ying yang, other manufacturers moaning and groaning about competing against them, and newer race built cars vs the older ones they were still campaigning with (GTS-Rs etc). Then Dodge pulled factory support. Rumor is Dodge is going to factory back a team again for LeMans with the new gen car... won't be surprised to see them dominate again.
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My two cents....
Owned a head and cammed vette, supercharged nsx and on my third viper purchase.
Two adress the porshe owner. The 2003 srt viper was running 7.50s at the ring back in 2003. Nearly ten years ago before people even knew about the ring. Let me tell you high 7s back then was sickening.
The 2008 non acr can do high 7.20s and the 2010 acr laid down a record breaking 7.12.
Even the 90s vipers dominated t1
There are 9900 srt10 vipers made in the world from 03-2010...just how rare is that? Well for comparison there are over 10,000 gallardos in the world.
Viper is an very rare car with a heck of a pedigree and it commands attention.
Ive been to more than a few car meets were you had twenty differant variants of porshes all lined up. Anything from 60k caymans to 160k fully opioned gt2s tts ect.
Guess what. When the ten year old yellow srt10 rolls in with its lil 84k pricetag it steals the crowd as its a one off vehicle and not another variant of the same car like all the porshes lined up.
Are the p cars nice.sure. Not my idea of masculine but nice cars. Does a 160k p car look a lot differant than a 60k p car to most at the meets.
Nope
When you own a viper the experience is somthing differant. mine is modified at 620 hp with a cam air intake and tune but even stock its a rough obnoxious car with 13 inch rear tires that can and will kill you if you dont gradually learn the car.
But thats its charm. You litterally feel like your learning to become a bull rider and when you finally do get comfortable enough to drive with one hand and hit corners at high rates of speed you actually feel rewarded.
My nsx on the other hand with an adjustable suspension and very weak power delivery...i mastered the supercharged 350 hp in a few days. I drove it to get mcdonalds and my viper to challange my self and have the holy **** smile after a few curves and a 60-130 mph blast in 7 seconds.
I think p cars look generic despite the price much like corvettes and are for chicks. Perhaps i should own one for a few months before blatantly degradeing them. Perhaps you should do the same with the viper.
As for the vette they dont make that much torque. Try 350 tq for a non z06 and 430 tq for the z06.
My stock 99 viper put down 465 rwt and the stock 03 put down 490 tq on the dyno.
The problem with the vette that I felt when mine was 370 rwhp is that sure it felt fast but never uncontrollable. Its like the perfect meeting place for the vettes. Say 360 rwhp and 370 tq. Just enough to make you smile but also just under the number to start giving you fits..
So they daily drive this 50k car to work and soccer games ect and just push the gas pedal at any rpm in any gear day after day and it just hooks and goes.
To the point that on a 40 degree morning or even in the rain they are so used to the camry like stick and go that they forget their 50k daily driver is capable of 12.4 at 116 mph and then bam you see these videos.
My vette was a very good car. Its not the car. Its just not respecting weather and road conditions
Owned a head and cammed vette, supercharged nsx and on my third viper purchase.
Two adress the porshe owner. The 2003 srt viper was running 7.50s at the ring back in 2003. Nearly ten years ago before people even knew about the ring. Let me tell you high 7s back then was sickening.
The 2008 non acr can do high 7.20s and the 2010 acr laid down a record breaking 7.12.
Even the 90s vipers dominated t1
There are 9900 srt10 vipers made in the world from 03-2010...just how rare is that? Well for comparison there are over 10,000 gallardos in the world.
Viper is an very rare car with a heck of a pedigree and it commands attention.
Ive been to more than a few car meets were you had twenty differant variants of porshes all lined up. Anything from 60k caymans to 160k fully opioned gt2s tts ect.
Guess what. When the ten year old yellow srt10 rolls in with its lil 84k pricetag it steals the crowd as its a one off vehicle and not another variant of the same car like all the porshes lined up.
Are the p cars nice.sure. Not my idea of masculine but nice cars. Does a 160k p car look a lot differant than a 60k p car to most at the meets.
Nope
When you own a viper the experience is somthing differant. mine is modified at 620 hp with a cam air intake and tune but even stock its a rough obnoxious car with 13 inch rear tires that can and will kill you if you dont gradually learn the car.
But thats its charm. You litterally feel like your learning to become a bull rider and when you finally do get comfortable enough to drive with one hand and hit corners at high rates of speed you actually feel rewarded.
My nsx on the other hand with an adjustable suspension and very weak power delivery...i mastered the supercharged 350 hp in a few days. I drove it to get mcdonalds and my viper to challange my self and have the holy **** smile after a few curves and a 60-130 mph blast in 7 seconds.
I think p cars look generic despite the price much like corvettes and are for chicks. Perhaps i should own one for a few months before blatantly degradeing them. Perhaps you should do the same with the viper.
As for the vette they dont make that much torque. Try 350 tq for a non z06 and 430 tq for the z06.
My stock 99 viper put down 465 rwt and the stock 03 put down 490 tq on the dyno.
The problem with the vette that I felt when mine was 370 rwhp is that sure it felt fast but never uncontrollable. Its like the perfect meeting place for the vettes. Say 360 rwhp and 370 tq. Just enough to make you smile but also just under the number to start giving you fits..
So they daily drive this 50k car to work and soccer games ect and just push the gas pedal at any rpm in any gear day after day and it just hooks and goes.
To the point that on a 40 degree morning or even in the rain they are so used to the camry like stick and go that they forget their 50k daily driver is capable of 12.4 at 116 mph and then bam you see these videos.
My vette was a very good car. Its not the car. Its just not respecting weather and road conditions
