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Old 09-01-2009 | 09:00 AM
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Lots of new Vantage upgrades coming out

Here are some from ESX/Ali Afshar Racing.

I finally decided to go down the supercharger route myself...Paramount's kit never appeared so I went with the ESX kit.

http://www.esxmotorsports.com/info/?id=6172
 
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WOW! 30k for a supercharger kit. That is steep. There is probably about 5k in parts.

I just came out of the BMW FI scene and I thought those prices were way high.

Do you have any pictures of the setup?

Are you going to change the clutch and flywheel?

How much PSI?

Do they recomend changing the head gasket before install?

I do like that they have it cooled with an air to water set up.
 
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Old 09-01-2009 | 09:17 AM
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Yeah it's very pricey...but that does include installation. Unfortunately there's no competition, hence the price. Paramount was supposed to have their kit out in May for $15K but it hasn't shown up yet. And PES was supposedly working on one as well, but no word from them either.


Lots of pictures on the website of the setup. No new head gasket from what I know. Clutch is an option...I'm going to stay with the stock clutch for now but will likely need to replace it within the year. I think the base setup uses 4.5psi, but rmrmd is getting 517rwhp with 6.5psi. These engines do seem to respond well to forced-induction. Hopefully they will be durable.
 
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Even with install that is at least 2x as much as it should be, even for a high dollar car. I imagine install is about an 8-10 hour job.

I think there number are a little stretched but, the car is going to scream. I would go no higher than 6.5 psi in an abundance of caution.

We are both in Florida, when you have it installed I am going to have to check it out.

Do they use the stock injectors?

How are they tuning the car?
 
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Old 09-01-2009 | 10:41 AM
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Don't know on the injectors and the tuning...you'd have to ask them. I'll let you know when it's ready...there's a fair amount of lead time and because of my schedule it will be done in October.
 
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This kit is on my radar screen too but the price and the prospects of losing warranty (which I recently paid 5k for 2 more years) is holding me back. I think I saw somewhere an statement regarding Ali would be willing to offer an attractive "group buy" price if he would get enough takers. Any update on that?
 
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I dunno' about those SC kits....WAAAAY overpriced! But no competition, like you said. An equivalent Z06 kit is around $5K (I love that nice and cheap Chevy world).

Any way, I would SERIOUSLY look into either a single or twin turbo system from STS. It looks like it would install pretty easy and be a lot more reliable than bolting some SC onto your engine. Plus removal, if need be, would be relatively simple.

Just ship STS your rear muffler and have them make up a package that connects the same way in space. Then fab your own outlet tubes connecting to the existing intakes. Seems like a good system. Even if you had them do the entire package, I'd bet it'd be a lot less than $15K.

Maybe you should give 'em a call.
 
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I dunno' about those SC kits....WAAAAY overpriced! But no competition, like you said. An equivalent Z06 kit is around $5K (I love that nice and cheap Chevy world).

Any way, I would SERIOUSLY look into either a single or twin turbo system from STS. It looks like it would install pretty easy and be a lot more reliable than bolting some SC onto your engine. Plus removal, if need be, would be relatively simple.

Just ship STS your rear muffler and have them make up a package that connects the same way in space. Then fab your own outlet tubes connecting to the existing intakes. Seems like a good system. Even if you had them do the entire package, I'd bet it'd be a lot less than $15K.

Maybe you should give 'em a call.
I agree. Sure there is a lot of R&D to be recouped with the sale of a very limited number of packages, but a healthy percentage of the price is certainly perceived value. Face it - many "higher end" buyers would discount a kit as rubbish if it were priced too low.

Curious why folks are seriously interested in these kits. In the grand scheme of things, a SC Vantage still isn't going be a really fast car... in the real world, a stock Z06 will destroy it ... a 997 turbo would probably best one too.
I guess we all would like our Vantages to have more "go" - some obviously more than other$.
... Aston should jump on the bandwagon and offer a factory kit. They'd sell a bunch of 'em @ $10K with a warranty.
 
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I dunno' about those SC kits....WAAAAY overpriced! But no competition, like you said. An equivalent Z06 kit is around $5K (I love that nice and cheap Chevy world).

Any way, I would SERIOUSLY look into either a single or twin turbo system from STS. It looks like it would install pretty easy and be a lot more reliable than bolting some SC onto your engine. Plus removal, if need be, would be relatively simple.

Just ship STS your rear muffler and have them make up a package that connects the same way in space. Then fab your own outlet tubes connecting to the existing intakes. Seems like a good system. Even if you had them do the entire package, I'd bet it'd be a lot less than $15K.

Maybe you should give 'em a call.
Dunno about that...this isn't a Chevy. Seems like bolting some turbocharger from a random company that doesn't specialize in Aston Martin is a bit risky. Who would do the engine management, testing, service, etc etc? I'd rather go with a supercharger because of the lack of turbo lag, and I'd rather have a whole kit designed and tested for my car.
 
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Originally Posted by Tahoe M3
Dunno about that...this isn't a Chevy. Seems like bolting some turbocharger from a random company that doesn't specialize in Aston Martin is a bit risky. Who would do the engine management, testing, service, etc etc? I'd rather go with a supercharger because of the lack of turbo lag, and I'd rather have a whole kit designed and tested for my car.
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Curious why folks are seriously interested in these kits. In the grand scheme of things, a SC Vantage still isn't going be a really fast car... in the real world, a stock Z06 will destroy it ... a 997 turbo would probably best one too.
I guess we all would like our Vantages to have more "go" - some obviously more than other$.


Couldn't agree more!!
 
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Dunno about that...this isn't a Chevy. Seems like bolting some turbocharger from a random company that doesn't specialize in Aston Martin is a bit risky. Who would do the engine management, testing, service, etc etc? I'd rather go with a supercharger because of the lack of turbo lag, and I'd rather have a whole kit designed and tested for my car.
Well that's what I'm saying. Maybe they could do a custom install for $15K - you'd be way ahead. And the nice thing is it would be virtually invisible. The last thing I'd want to do is mess around with a custom SC drive system and the many problems that could develop on that end.

Just saying... you should check out STS's website before writing the check. You've got nothing to lose.

BTW, who's gonna' service your SC system? They can install it, but then what? SC systems take a lot more engineering than a turbo system, and frankly the only one I'd trust is a factory system.
 
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Curious why folks are seriously interested in these kits. In the grand scheme of things, a SC Vantage still isn't going be a really fast car... in the real world, a stock Z06 will destroy it ... a 997 turbo would probably best one too.
I guess we all would like our Vantages to have more "go" - some obviously more than other$.


Couldn't agree more!!
Have to agree. If my goal was to go all out for performance, I would have gotten a ZR-1 and smoked all of these. But that isn't what the Vantage is all about.

Of course, I'd prefer to have the Vantage AND the ZR-1, but I'd have to live in one of them to afford it.
 
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Hard to say...although I'd imagine a properly set up SC Vantage could make a pretty good showing compared to those other cars. A stock Z06 would destroy it? That's just speculation. But even if it did, I wouldn't care...we would have gotten the Z06 if cheap performance was the only thing we were looking for in a car. The problem with the Z06 is that sooner or later someone will see you in it.

Let's be realistic here, though. If performance wasn't important, then we wouldn't have gotten a sports car...that said, it doesn't have to be a stripped out compromised track car, but it should be able to keep up with cars that fall in the same class...911S/TT/GT3, R8, F430. It's slower than all of those in stock form...as well as some in other classes...M3, RS4, Corvette, GT-R, AMG C63/E63/SL63, for example. Hell, even the 135i is faster in a straight line. There's always going to be something faster, but that's a bit much.

I tried waiting for NA upgrades. Nothing really there to make a significant difference. I tried getting Aston Martin Racing parts. Can't get those. I'm not willing to strip out my car ala the N24, and the V12 isn't coming here. As I've said before, I love this car, and the only thing I'd trade it for is a faster Vantage. The choice came down to trading for an '09, which would have cost me about $50K for 40 hp, or the SC kit costing about $30 for 170+hp. Overall the SC made the most sense.
 
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Tahoe, are you still under warranty?
 


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