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#31
09-20-2011, 11:43 AM
It isn't ALL about performance, but when we're talking about high-end sports cars, that's one of the biggest factor in determining which cars compete with which others.
For sports cars, price and performance levels pretty much dictate the field of competitors. The other factors you've mentioned such as aspiration, ride quality, sound are all things that will be factors that will determine which car of the field that the individual will select, but they don't define the field itself.
For sports cars, price and performance levels pretty much dictate the field of competitors. The other factors you've mentioned such as aspiration, ride quality, sound are all things that will be factors that will determine which car of the field that the individual will select, but they don't define the field itself.
So prestige, I agree with you, it's up there with Ferrari. Experience, it's something different entirely. Not worse, mind you, just different. Presently I'm actually in a bit of lower back pain after driving around in the 458 on city roads for a while, and I'm usually pretty durable. If I have to stay in the city much longer, I'll probably be an MP4-12C buyer:P
#32
09-20-2011, 01:26 PM
I think aspiration (which effects throttle response, and sound), ride quality, and performance are all things that are factors that define the experience of driving the car. Aside from that, there's only prestige (I don't think price is a huge deal at this end, people don't buy things because they are expensive, but because of the prestige and heritage of the brand, which sometimes plays a role in price). It's why Porsche is even permitted to run with the big leagues when realistically their cars aren't priced anywhere near the other supercars (note how the Turbo S is always featured in comparos, and even wins most of them despite being the cheapest car by usually $50-100k or more).
So prestige, I agree with you, it's up there with Ferrari. Experience, it's something different entirely. Not worse, mind you, just different. Presently I'm actually in a bit of lower back pain after driving around in the 458 on city roads for a while, and I'm usually pretty durable. If I have to stay in the city much longer, I'll probably be an MP4-12C buyer:P
So prestige, I agree with you, it's up there with Ferrari. Experience, it's something different entirely. Not worse, mind you, just different. Presently I'm actually in a bit of lower back pain after driving around in the 458 on city roads for a while, and I'm usually pretty durable. If I have to stay in the city much longer, I'll probably be an MP4-12C buyer:P
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09-21-2011, 12:48 PM
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Guys. This topic was to talk about am depreciation and spun into a mclauren vs Ferrari contest. Can we split these off? As the two are completely unrelated
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09-21-2011, 02:02 PM
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Speaking of depressing ... I am puting my 2007 Vantage up for sale ... know anyone that might be interested please PM ...
Ohhh that was depreciation ... yeah I am about 50% even w mods ...
Ohhh that was depreciation ... yeah I am about 50% even w mods ...
#36
09-21-2011, 03:41 PM
Ya but the mclaren is slow, even my bicolore would destroy it around the track as magazines have proven. Mclaren is a decent sports car but it never lived up to the hype as it should have. Yet again another "hypercar" bearing the "Mclaren" name (like the SLR) that never lived up to the original (not even close) ...
The Aventador is lightyears ahead of the competition ... and I will report back after my test drive tomorrow
back to depreciation .........
I spoke to numerous dealers, all have said the vantage market has flat lined in the low 70s for a good low mileage 07 ... high mileage 06s that have been ragged on can be had in the mid to high 60s, but you'd be better off getting a well maintained & taken care of 07+.
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#37
09-21-2011, 04:18 PM
Ya but the mclaren is slow, even my bicolore would destroy it around the track as magazines have proven. Mclaren is a decent sports car but it never lived up to the hype as it should have. Yet again another "hypercar" bearing the "Mclaren" name (like the SLR) that never lived up to the original (not even close) ...
The Aventador is lightyears ahead of the competition ... and I will report back after my test drive tomorrow
back to depreciation .........
I spoke to numerous dealers, all have said the vantage market has flat lined in the low 70s for a good low mileage 07 ... high mileage 06s that have been ragged on can be had in the mid to high 60s, but you'd be better off getting a well maintained & taken care of 07+.
The Aventador is lightyears ahead of the competition ... and I will report back after my test drive tomorrow
back to depreciation .........
I spoke to numerous dealers, all have said the vantage market has flat lined in the low 70s for a good low mileage 07 ... high mileage 06s that have been ragged on can be had in the mid to high 60s, but you'd be better off getting a well maintained & taken care of 07+.
#38
09-21-2011, 06:25 PM
Yeah, I suppose it will dip again when the vantage replacement was released. btw, the tests you speak of where the macca underperformed was a preproduction version. The only test that's been of customer spec cars was the top gear one....where it beat the 458 around dunsfold by 3 seconds.
One of the most profound things I have learned recently is that specs at the end of the day don't really mean anything to me. The most important characteristic by far is how enjoyable is the car to drive and how does it make the driver feel. If a car has no soul I don't want to own it period
... in that sense the Mclaren could not be more of an epic failure. Its a pentium processor with wheels
(not to pick on mclaren but there are many more in the car industry, Skyline GTR, etc etc).
#39
10-17-2011, 09:33 PM
Ya but the mclaren is slow, even my bicolore would destroy it around the track as magazines have proven. Mclaren is a decent sports car but it never lived up to the hype as it should have. Yet again another "hypercar" bearing the "Mclaren" name (like the SLR) that never lived up to the original (not even close) ...
The Aventador is lightyears ahead of the competition ... and I will report back after my test drive tomorrow
back to depreciation .........
I spoke to numerous dealers, all have said the vantage market has flat lined in the low 70s for a good low mileage 07 ... high mileage 06s that have been ragged on can be had in the mid to high 60s, but you'd be better off getting a well maintained & taken care of 07+.
The Aventador is lightyears ahead of the competition ... and I will report back after my test drive tomorrow
back to depreciation .........
I spoke to numerous dealers, all have said the vantage market has flat lined in the low 70s for a good low mileage 07 ... high mileage 06s that have been ragged on can be had in the mid to high 60s, but you'd be better off getting a well maintained & taken care of 07+.
#40
10-17-2011, 09:46 PM
In any case, back to the issue of AM depreciation. I was recently in the market for an AM and found the situation to be not dissimilar from how it was in the recession. 2011 DB9's can be had for $160k, down from MSRP's of around $200k, 2011 DBS' in the $240k region, and 2011 V8V's in the $120k's. In general, everything is around 15-20% off MSRP and the 2012's aren't even on the ground yet. In fact the only models dealers seem to be resistant to let go at more than a 15% discount would be the V12V's.
#41
10-17-2011, 09:53 PM
In any case, back to the issue of AM depreciation. I was recently in the market for an AM and found the situation to be not dissimilar from how it was in the recession. 2011 DB9's can be had for $160k, down from MSRP's of around $200k, 2011 DBS' in the $240k region, and 2011 V8V's in the $120k's. In general, everything is around 15-20% off MSRP and the 2012's aren't even on the ground yet. In fact the only models dealers seem to be resistant to let go at more than a 15% discount would be the V12V's.
... I've been looking at a DB7 but just can't get past the XK looks and Ford spec dash
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