Da Green Monstah...
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Da Green Monstah... Mit Dyno Numbahs...
Hey Guys
Things have been real busy for me and the Audis lately. The 3 year build on Da Monstah was completed in early spring with several trips to the dyno for tuning and final all out pulls. I just detailed her in advance of a Euro Type car magazine spread which will be happening this week. Well, the photo shoot and the out of town visit by the guy doing the article.
The dyno time was fulfilling and very exciting. The results were simply mind blowing. The turbo on this car is from Innovative Turbo Systems, ITS, who are no longer in business. It was their FE-272 which they claimed was good to 825 crank hp. Given the irregularities of dynos look at my numbers as a guideline. The car put down 635hp/522tq at the wheels with E-85 when we ran out of injector on my RC 880cc injectors. One week later and armed with 2000cc Injector Dynamics beauties we put down 674hp/591tq at 33 lbs of boost. At this point we were out of turbo with the boost tapering from 33 down to 27 lbs. Given the very streetable performance of this car, I will not be going with a larger turbo, yet ;>) Tuning this Beast was Brendan Rudak of Apikol and the build credit goes to the Wild Welshman himself, Dave "Tufty" Jones of S-Line Motorsport. The dyno we used here at a mile high is a very conservative Superflow. As a comparison, a fully built tial 770 turboed B5 S4 put down 550hp at 30lbs of boost before Brendan ran out of injector.
Hap, wit dakine Monstah not from Evahboost, Maguire
Things have been real busy for me and the Audis lately. The 3 year build on Da Monstah was completed in early spring with several trips to the dyno for tuning and final all out pulls. I just detailed her in advance of a Euro Type car magazine spread which will be happening this week. Well, the photo shoot and the out of town visit by the guy doing the article.
The dyno time was fulfilling and very exciting. The results were simply mind blowing. The turbo on this car is from Innovative Turbo Systems, ITS, who are no longer in business. It was their FE-272 which they claimed was good to 825 crank hp. Given the irregularities of dynos look at my numbers as a guideline. The car put down 635hp/522tq at the wheels with E-85 when we ran out of injector on my RC 880cc injectors. One week later and armed with 2000cc Injector Dynamics beauties we put down 674hp/591tq at 33 lbs of boost. At this point we were out of turbo with the boost tapering from 33 down to 27 lbs. Given the very streetable performance of this car, I will not be going with a larger turbo, yet ;>) Tuning this Beast was Brendan Rudak of Apikol and the build credit goes to the Wild Welshman himself, Dave "Tufty" Jones of S-Line Motorsport. The dyno we used here at a mile high is a very conservative Superflow. As a comparison, a fully built tial 770 turboed B5 S4 put down 550hp at 30lbs of boost before Brendan ran out of injector.
Hap, wit dakine Monstah not from Evahboost, Maguire
Last edited by urs4guy; 06-16-2010 at 12:02 AM.
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Here are some videos of the dyno runs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeKUFlnzOZ8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIa2HQfyLig
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeKUFlnzOZ8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIa2HQfyLig
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ENGINE MODIFICATIONS
Big Valve Big Cam Head (BVBCH) ported polished Swain coated and flowed with race valve grind, 1mm larger titanium intake and exhaust valves, custom ground and timing adjustable S-Line Motorsport intake and exhaust cams with 034 EFI Adjustable Cam Gear Pulley, 034 60-2 crank trigger, port matched Wagner intake manifold that's ported & polished inside and out, 034 Idle Air Motor Kit, custom solid lifters, heavy duty valve springs, titanium retainers, steel head gasket, ARP head studs and retainers, 2000cc @ 3.0 bar Injector Dynamics fuel injectors, 034 fuel rail, 034 Big Bore 70mm Throttle Body, Fuelab adjustable fuel pressure regulator with fuel pressure gauge, SX Performance 18203(Da BEEG One) external fuel pump and Fuelab inline filters 1 before & 1 after da pump with custom -10 SS solid fuel line that enters the engine bay on da cool side, S-Line Motorsport equal length and firing order sequenced prototype 316L Stainless Steel tubular exhaust manifold, Tial Sport V44 Wastegate, custom 3 1/2” SS downpipe and Magnaflow exhaust that splits into twin 3” Magnaflow 3” in and dual 2½” out mufflers with polished tips(Twin Twins), Innovative Turbo Systems F272 triple ceramic bb turbo good for 825 hp, 105mm turbo intake with AEM air filter, custom 24”x10.5”x4” FMIC with Garrett intercooler core and modified Apikol polished end tanks, custom 3” polished aluminum pipe plumbing from turbo to throttle body, hard mounted Tial Sport Blow Off valve, custom polished aluminum radiator with custom shroud and SPAL high flow electric fan, Wiseco forged 83mm coated stroker pistons, Carrillo Titanium rods with ARP rod bolts, 92.8mm short stroker crank(2.51 liter displacement), 034EFI stand alone engine management system, S-Line Motorsport coils, Earl's 27 row(Happersized) oil cooler mounted at the stock I/C location with temp activated electric fan, NOS FMIC Serpentine Spray-Bar with polished 10lb bottle and on demand & WOT activation, custom vacuum manifold, polished valve cover, polished assorted aluminum engine bits(just about all of them).
OTHER MODIFICATIONS
Dave Stone MPSC Coil-Over Suspension with custom Koni Motorsport Dual Adjustable Shocks, Hyper Coil 500#/550# front/rear springs, and Dave Stone Spherical bearing Camber/Caster Plates, corner weighted, 28mm S6+ front sway bar, Pederhousen rear sway bar adapter kit with 28mm (Happersized+) 3 way adjustable Big Red custom HRSB, 034 Motorsport Spec motor mounts, 034 Transmission mounts, Porsche Cayenne 6 piston Monoblock Big Yellow calipers with custom 355x32mm 2-piece drilled rotors with custom hats and custom Apikol brackets, custom machined Porsche 993tt Big Yellow rear calipers with custom 314x30mm 2-piece drilled rotors, custom hats and custom brackets with Porsche Textar pads, stainless steel brake lines with Motul 600 fluid, K Sport Hydraulic Handbrake, European CRB 6-speed transmission rebuilt by Mr. Kluge with hardened spline and hardened & wide first gear, Apikol short shift kit with shortened lever, Amorosoized lead filled shift shaft, ASW Aluminum Flywheel(17 lbs lighter than stock dual mass), custom Southbend race/street clutch, Stasis Torsen Center Differential, polished Kosei K3 18x8.5 wheels with Bidgestone RE 11 255/35-18 tires, Euro headlights with relayed 100w H1 highs/4300K HID lows and clear side markers, 3 piece Euro S6 plus taillights, RS4 front and rear badges, Kamei front grill with RS2 rings, LLTek front bumper lower valance & air intake with custom grills to clear the FMIC, customized rear bumper with Twin Dual outlets, customized Sparco Milano seats with black leather outers and black Alcantara inners, full black interior from a 1996 urS6, Sparco pedals, custom dead pedal, European illuminated 6 speed shift ****, Audi Sport 3 spoke steering wheel recovered with perforated leather, Sparco 3” harness for the track.
ELECTRONICS
034EFI Stage IIc ECU, 2 single carbon fiber 2 5/8” A-pillar pods with Autometer Phantom EGT selectable for all 5 cylinders and Autometer Phantom 30 PSI Boost/Vacuum, hard wired Valentine One with remote display, Innovative wide band air/fuel ratio meter with digital readout in a carbon fiber pod on the steering wheel crown. Full custom rewiring of all engine and vehicle electricals. Alpine CDA 7998 MP3/CD Head Unit, Alpine CHA S634 6 Disc MP3/CD Player, Alpine TUAT020XM Digital Sat Receiver, MB Quart QSD 216 6.5” 3 way components for the front doors and QM 218.61Q 6.5” 2 way components for the rear doors, Focal 690 HC Polyflex 6x9 Coaxial speakers for the rear tray, Alumapro Alchemy Mx 10” subwoofer in a custom fiberglass enclosure in the trunk, JL Audio 500/1 amp for the subwoofer with a Lightning Audio 1.0 Farad Digital Capacitor, JL Audio 300/4 amp for the front and rear doors and the tray.
Last edited by urs4guy; 06-16-2010 at 09:23 AM.
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Nice project! Amazing power numbers.
But the RS4 badges...easy pass for me. Better off riding debadged and have a sleeper vehicle, than badging it with something that...it's not. Just my $0.02
But the RS4 badges...easy pass for me. Better off riding debadged and have a sleeper vehicle, than badging it with something that...it's not. Just my $0.02
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Back to da dyno...
Hey Guys
Long time no updates so I thought I'd crosspost some data points for you BEEG Turbo guys. My ITS turbo has gone through a full update by Comp Turbo to make it a CT43-7271. Now this turbo really sucks and I intend to prove it. Some of these pictures maybe too graphic for younger listers.
A sporadic boost issue has been driving Tufty Jones, Brendan Rudak and yours truly very crazy for the last several months. Last week Brendan and I set about logging runs on da computer to see if there was a software issue and everything checked out perfectly. We even tried swapping out the Tial 44mm wastegate for a plug and play Turbosmart WG with a minor change invloving a slightly laggier but still inconsistent boost between 10-15 lbs due to a 7 lb vs 1 bar spring in the Turbosmart WG. Tufty and I finally decided to do an intake tract leak check even though we knew it couldn't be that as this car has basically a full hard pipe tract with the only silicon pieces at the joints for engine flex. This would also eliminate the BOV as a potential source. Well as the pressure built upwards of 30 lbs the only leak we found was from the test valve. The intake was solid. To do the test though, we had to remove the 4" elbow that runs from the air cleaner to the turbo inlet. As Tufty was scratching his head yet again he took a good look at the cleaner and Voila, we had found our "Negative Boostie".
As you can see from this inside view, the plastic frame has broken down. This allowed the cleaner to shrink in on itself as Da BEEG Comp turbo literally sucked the life from its veins. You can also see the crease lines on the outside of the cleaner and visualize what was going on.
This air cleaner was mounted to a 4" aluminum pipe that had a 90 degree bend and the cleaner just hung from the pipe without touching anything else. You can just see the pipe here in this shot.
>
Well mucho thanks to Tufty and Brendan for their continuing help in perfecting this beast. Something tells me this is gonna be a long story. Throughout this all, the car still ran beautifully if somewhat muffled because of the cleaner. I gotta see if I can get a refund or do you think AEM will just laugh???
Well, we were headed to the dyno with Brendan to do some logging to see if my butt dyno was gonna agree wit da Superflow about moh powah foh Da Monstah. I met Brendan at Carz in Lakewood, CO this morning bright and early. Temps were in the high 60s on a gorgeous Colorado Autumn day. The only changes on the car were a set of fresh seals on the Comp Turbo, a new Turbosmart wastegate with a 14lb spring, and 1500 miles of break-in on Da Monstah. To refresh your memory, the car pulled 674hp/591tq with the Tial WG and a 1 bar spring:
You'll notice on the boost curve the tapering of boost from its high of 33 lbs to 27 lbs at the end. This is the part that alerted us to the possibility that the turbo or something else was hampering the all-out power potential. It turned out that it was a combination of the turbo seals being weak and the air filter collapsing in on itself.
So now it was time to get wit the program and see what this thing would do on the rollers. With a couple of shots to the NOS serpentine spray bar to purge the nitrous we were off with a high boost run. This time the car pulled 35lbs of boost. The results were stunning to say the least:
755hp/710tq at the wheels!!!
Unfortunately the sensor the dyno guys were using stopped reading the rpm midway through the run because the motor had torqued itself over from the strain of the pull and moved too far away from the sensor. Yes, I've got it on video if I can just figure out how to upload to Youtube from my Canon/iPhoto. We had to get my car off the dyno so they could do some more VEMS tuning on BABS' car so we pulled my car off to get some real work done.
The next phase that I was planning for the car involved sending the turbo to the Comp Turbo guys for them to machine out the compressor housing a little to accept a billet compressor wheel and having them rebalance the turbo. Given the 750hp+ that the car puts down, I can safely say that I see no reason to go any further. I'll also be running the car on the low boost program which still gives me 28lbs. Plenty nough for the street, I say.
Hap, wit dakine Monstah numbahs not from Evahboost, Maguire
Long time no updates so I thought I'd crosspost some data points for you BEEG Turbo guys. My ITS turbo has gone through a full update by Comp Turbo to make it a CT43-7271. Now this turbo really sucks and I intend to prove it. Some of these pictures maybe too graphic for younger listers.
A sporadic boost issue has been driving Tufty Jones, Brendan Rudak and yours truly very crazy for the last several months. Last week Brendan and I set about logging runs on da computer to see if there was a software issue and everything checked out perfectly. We even tried swapping out the Tial 44mm wastegate for a plug and play Turbosmart WG with a minor change invloving a slightly laggier but still inconsistent boost between 10-15 lbs due to a 7 lb vs 1 bar spring in the Turbosmart WG. Tufty and I finally decided to do an intake tract leak check even though we knew it couldn't be that as this car has basically a full hard pipe tract with the only silicon pieces at the joints for engine flex. This would also eliminate the BOV as a potential source. Well as the pressure built upwards of 30 lbs the only leak we found was from the test valve. The intake was solid. To do the test though, we had to remove the 4" elbow that runs from the air cleaner to the turbo inlet. As Tufty was scratching his head yet again he took a good look at the cleaner and Voila, we had found our "Negative Boostie".
As you can see from this inside view, the plastic frame has broken down. This allowed the cleaner to shrink in on itself as Da BEEG Comp turbo literally sucked the life from its veins. You can also see the crease lines on the outside of the cleaner and visualize what was going on.
This air cleaner was mounted to a 4" aluminum pipe that had a 90 degree bend and the cleaner just hung from the pipe without touching anything else. You can just see the pipe here in this shot.
>
Well mucho thanks to Tufty and Brendan for their continuing help in perfecting this beast. Something tells me this is gonna be a long story. Throughout this all, the car still ran beautifully if somewhat muffled because of the cleaner. I gotta see if I can get a refund or do you think AEM will just laugh???
Well, we were headed to the dyno with Brendan to do some logging to see if my butt dyno was gonna agree wit da Superflow about moh powah foh Da Monstah. I met Brendan at Carz in Lakewood, CO this morning bright and early. Temps were in the high 60s on a gorgeous Colorado Autumn day. The only changes on the car were a set of fresh seals on the Comp Turbo, a new Turbosmart wastegate with a 14lb spring, and 1500 miles of break-in on Da Monstah. To refresh your memory, the car pulled 674hp/591tq with the Tial WG and a 1 bar spring:
You'll notice on the boost curve the tapering of boost from its high of 33 lbs to 27 lbs at the end. This is the part that alerted us to the possibility that the turbo or something else was hampering the all-out power potential. It turned out that it was a combination of the turbo seals being weak and the air filter collapsing in on itself.
So now it was time to get wit the program and see what this thing would do on the rollers. With a couple of shots to the NOS serpentine spray bar to purge the nitrous we were off with a high boost run. This time the car pulled 35lbs of boost. The results were stunning to say the least:
755hp/710tq at the wheels!!!
Unfortunately the sensor the dyno guys were using stopped reading the rpm midway through the run because the motor had torqued itself over from the strain of the pull and moved too far away from the sensor. Yes, I've got it on video if I can just figure out how to upload to Youtube from my Canon/iPhoto. We had to get my car off the dyno so they could do some more VEMS tuning on BABS' car so we pulled my car off to get some real work done.
The next phase that I was planning for the car involved sending the turbo to the Comp Turbo guys for them to machine out the compressor housing a little to accept a billet compressor wheel and having them rebalance the turbo. Given the 750hp+ that the car puts down, I can safely say that I see no reason to go any further. I'll also be running the car on the low boost program which still gives me 28lbs. Plenty nough for the street, I say.
Hap, wit dakine Monstah numbahs not from Evahboost, Maguire