A3076 vs. A28 vs. K16G vs. K24 Dyno Overlay
#196
05-23-2013, 06:16 PM
I have a mafless tune by Protomotive and HTA3076.My car runs like OEM.The only problem is the extra loud 3' exhaust 
I m very happy with my setup, I m waiting the second file from Todd to turn the boost up.Right now I have only 0,9bar.
996 turbo S - YouTube
996 turbo S - YouTube
I m very happy with my setup, I m waiting the second file from Todd to turn the boost up.Right now I have only 0,9bar.
996 turbo S - YouTube
996 turbo S - YouTube
#197
05-23-2013, 10:51 PM
Looking good George! You will have a file by now I hope. I'll check in on Todd for you.
#198
05-24-2013, 01:53 AM
Forged Mahle 3.8s ?
By the way, Dr Evil ( I am assuming you attended evil medical school)
Would E85 fuel contribute to this "VE" you speak of? If we're thinkin of the
same thing.....you know, converting thermal energy to mechanical energy?
and what about a standalone engine management system? You know, a
means to orchestrate the individual components of combustion and forced
induction? Would that help with this "VE" you speak of?
#199
05-24-2013, 06:18 AM
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#200
05-24-2013, 08:12 AM
I don't know anything 'bout "magic markski" but I could tell you a thing or
two about magic mushrooms
circa 1978 - 1981
After researching builds, I noticed a definite pattern of reliability
issues with setups producing more then 800 - 850 whp.
Some are more reliable then others but overall, like all cars, the 996TT
reaches a "critical mass" of performance and going beyond that, doesn't
lend itself to daily drivability. Not to say that all of this can't be figured
but at some point we gotta look at "cost vs. benefit"
The 3073s work based on these observations. With some gearing and
weight reduction, I think it's gonna be pretty good.
By the way, Markskis not involved with this build.
two about magic mushrooms
circa 1978 - 1981After researching builds, I noticed a definite pattern of reliability
issues with setups producing more then 800 - 850 whp.
Some are more reliable then others but overall, like all cars, the 996TT
reaches a "critical mass" of performance and going beyond that, doesn't
lend itself to daily drivability. Not to say that all of this can't be figured
but at some point we gotta look at "cost vs. benefit"
The 3073s work based on these observations. With some gearing and
weight reduction, I think it's gonna be pretty good.
By the way, Markskis not involved with this build.
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997TT SilverSpool - 210.8 mph 1/2 Mile WR Apr 2019, 9.2 @ 168 mph 1/4 Mile Manual World Record , 3.15 60-130 mph , 2.72 100-150 mph , 1400whp E85
996TT SpoolBus - 204.6 mph 1/2 Mile 996TT WR Aug 2018, 9.5 @ 154 mph, 3.23 60-130 mph, 2.5 100-150 mph Manual Porsche World Record, 1400whp E85
997TT SlowBerry - 205.0 mph 1/2 Mile WR Nov 2018, 9.7 @ 170 mph 1/4 Mile , 3.2 60-130 mph , 2.4 100-150 mph , 1420whp E85
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#202
05-24-2013, 09:42 AM
Mr. Evil....or is it Dr. Evil, um anyways, Do these qualify as "bolt ons" ?
Forged Mahle 3.8s ?
By the way, Dr Evil ( I am assuming you attended evil medical school)
Would E85 fuel contribute to this "VE" you speak of? If we're thinkin of the
same thing.....you know, converting thermal energy to mechanical energy?
and what about a standalone engine management system? You know, a
means to orchestrate the individual components of combustion and forced
induction? Would that help with this "VE" you speak of?
Forged Mahle 3.8s ?
By the way, Dr Evil ( I am assuming you attended evil medical school)
Would E85 fuel contribute to this "VE" you speak of? If we're thinkin of the
same thing.....you know, converting thermal energy to mechanical energy?
and what about a standalone engine management system? You know, a
means to orchestrate the individual components of combustion and forced
induction? Would that help with this "VE" you speak of?
1. Evil is my middle name and what I do on my time, is my buisiness
2. Those pistons are considered a "bolt on" in my book(but that is just me). I'm glad to see they are Mahle but, when anyone can pick up the phone and buy them from FVD, they are "bolt on". These also do not increase VE.
3. NO, adding E85 does not increase your VE. An improvement in VE is something done mechanically to allow the the engine to intake and exhaust air easier. Changing any of the following will increase VE - cams, headwork, intake system, exhaust system. Your engine is an air pump, help it move the air and you will make more power. In the case of a turbocharged engine, it will make the same or possibly more power with less boost. FYI - E85 (or meth or race gas) lowers combustion temps and allows for more aggressive timing due to a lower knock threshold.. It does not change the mechanical VE of the engine.
4. A stand alone does NOTHING to make HP or improve VE unless you know how to use it. The ONLY way you will make more power going to a standalone will be IF you can map the engine better than Porsche did.
I know your a big Porsche engineering, Germany, Stuttgart, road race fan but, do you really think you can tune better than them? DO you have an engine dyno to map the engine in any enviroment? Cold start, hot start, part throttle, knock, individual cylinder timing or fuel control based on egt's or knock, failing sensors, bad gas and the list goes on....
Last edited by evil 996tt; 05-24-2013 at 09:53 AM. Reason: I'm evil
#203
05-24-2013, 10:37 AM
#204
05-24-2013, 01:58 PM
I think the word would be "faster"!
The the car would hit 100 mph in under 6 seconds
60 - 150 in low 9s and 60-130 in 5.3s
That's pretty fast, at least to me it is!
But yes, it's gonna be schizophrenic fast now.
( best metaphor I could come up with at the moment )
#206
05-24-2013, 02:45 PM
Where do I start?
1. Evil is my middle name and what I do on my time, is my buisiness
2. Those pistons are considered a "bolt on" in my book(but that is just me). I'm glad to see they are Mahle but, when anyone can pick up the phone and buy them from FVD, they are "bolt on". These also do not increase VE.
"Bolt on" usually refers to an upgrade that doesn't require removing the
engine. I think the universally accepted definition is anything that doesn't
touch motor oil.
3. NO, adding E85 does not increase your VE. An improvement in VE is something done mechanically to allow the the engine to intake and exhaust air easier. Changing any of the following will increase VE - cams, headwork, intake system, exhaust system. Your engine is an air pump, help it move the air and you will make more power. In the case of a turbocharged engine, it will make the same or possibly more power with less boost. FYI - E85 (or meth or race gas) lowers combustion temps and allows for more aggressive timing due to a lower knock threshold.. It does not change the mechanical VE of the engine.
[B]
Changing the fuel type/delivery is the epitome of influencing volumetric efficiency.
Oxygen is only one component of VE. The rate and percentage of thermal energy
( fuel) converted to mechanical energy is integral to the VE.
[/B]
4. A stand alone does NOTHING to make HP or improve VE unless you know how to use it. The ONLY way you will make more power going to a standalone will be IF you can map the engine better than Porsche did.
[I]Your first sentence is more of a buddhistic conundrum then a statement. Yes, the stand alone
will do nothing if the user doesn't know how to use it, I agree.
The second sentence presupposes that we'll have to outsmart the boys in Stuttgart if we're
to eek out an ounce more power then they have. Well, that's what every tuner on this board
does for a living. Porsche doesn't maximize the potential for any of their road going vehicles.
The cars are engineered with longevity and dependability in mind.
[/I]
I know your a big Porsche engineering, Germany, Stuttgart, road race fan but, do you really think you can tune better than them? DO you have an engine dyno to map the engine in any enviroment? Cold start, hot start, part throttle, knock, individual cylinder timing or fuel control based on egt's or knock, failing sensors, bad gas and the list goes on....
1. Evil is my middle name and what I do on my time, is my buisiness
2. Those pistons are considered a "bolt on" in my book(but that is just me). I'm glad to see they are Mahle but, when anyone can pick up the phone and buy them from FVD, they are "bolt on". These also do not increase VE.
"Bolt on" usually refers to an upgrade that doesn't require removing the
engine. I think the universally accepted definition is anything that doesn't
touch motor oil.
3. NO, adding E85 does not increase your VE. An improvement in VE is something done mechanically to allow the the engine to intake and exhaust air easier. Changing any of the following will increase VE - cams, headwork, intake system, exhaust system. Your engine is an air pump, help it move the air and you will make more power. In the case of a turbocharged engine, it will make the same or possibly more power with less boost. FYI - E85 (or meth or race gas) lowers combustion temps and allows for more aggressive timing due to a lower knock threshold.. It does not change the mechanical VE of the engine.
[B]
Changing the fuel type/delivery is the epitome of influencing volumetric efficiency.
Oxygen is only one component of VE. The rate and percentage of thermal energy
( fuel) converted to mechanical energy is integral to the VE.
[/B]
4. A stand alone does NOTHING to make HP or improve VE unless you know how to use it. The ONLY way you will make more power going to a standalone will be IF you can map the engine better than Porsche did.
[I]Your first sentence is more of a buddhistic conundrum then a statement. Yes, the stand alone
will do nothing if the user doesn't know how to use it, I agree.
The second sentence presupposes that we'll have to outsmart the boys in Stuttgart if we're
to eek out an ounce more power then they have. Well, that's what every tuner on this board
does for a living. Porsche doesn't maximize the potential for any of their road going vehicles.
The cars are engineered with longevity and dependability in mind.
[/I]
I know your a big Porsche engineering, Germany, Stuttgart, road race fan but, do you really think you can tune better than them? DO you have an engine dyno to map the engine in any enviroment? Cold start, hot start, part throttle, knock, individual cylinder timing or fuel control based on egt's or knock, failing sensors, bad gas and the list goes on....
Do I think we can tune better then Porsche? The better question is; Where in the world did
I say or lead you to believe that Our goal was to tune better or otherwise outdo Porsche?
Not sure if you're just being defensive but I don't understand how you maintain the
position that installing new pistons is a "bolt on" application and your insistence that
changing the entire fuel and engine management apparatus doesn't effect VE.
#208
05-24-2013, 03:08 PM
Do I think we can tune better then Porsche? The better question is; Where in the world did
I say or lead you to believe that Our goal was to tune better or otherwise outdo Porsche?
Not sure if you're just being defensive but I don't understand how you maintain the
position that installing new pistons is a "bolt on" application and your insistence that
changing the entire fuel and engine management apparatus doesn't effect VE.
I say or lead you to believe that Our goal was to tune better or otherwise outdo Porsche?
Not sure if you're just being defensive but I don't understand how you maintain the
position that installing new pistons is a "bolt on" application and your insistence that
changing the entire fuel and engine management apparatus doesn't effect VE.
Regarding the tuning, keep talking in circles. First you say that all the tuners in the world out tune Porsche, then you stated that you never said you can tune better than Porsche.. Let me help you out, you better hope you can tune better than Porsche or you will have a very difficult car to drive my friend. That is of course if you can keep it together.
[B]
Changing the fuel type/delivery is the epitome of influencing volumetric efficiency.
Oxygen is only one component of VE. The rate and percentage of thermal energy
( fuel) converted to mechanical energy is integral to the VE.
[/B]
This is news to me. Can you explain this further? Please explain how this happens.
Also, me being defensive? why? this is the internet, I can care less what you do. I don't even know you BUT I sure know VE and it is NOT what you describe.
#209
05-24-2013, 04:40 PM
Forget it dude.. you don't get it and you never will. You don't read very well. I said a piston and sleeve like you bought is a "bolt on" TO ME, NOT the general population. I don't pay people to turn wrenches so everything is a bolt on TO ME.
Regarding the tuning, keep talking in circles. First you say that all the tuners in the world out tune Porsche, then you stated that you never said you can tune better than Porsche.. Let me help you out, you better hope you can tune better than Porsche or you will have a very difficult car to drive my friend. That is of course if you can keep it together.
[B]
Changing the fuel type/delivery is the epitome of influencing volumetric efficiency.
Oxygen is only one component of VE. The rate and percentage of thermal energy
( fuel) converted to mechanical energy is integral to the VE.
[/B]
This is news to me. Can you explain this further? Please explain how this happens.
Also, me being defensive? why? this is the internet, I can care less what you do. I don't even know you BUT I sure know VE and it is NOT what you describe.
Regarding the tuning, keep talking in circles. First you say that all the tuners in the world out tune Porsche, then you stated that you never said you can tune better than Porsche.. Let me help you out, you better hope you can tune better than Porsche or you will have a very difficult car to drive my friend. That is of course if you can keep it together.
[B]
Changing the fuel type/delivery is the epitome of influencing volumetric efficiency.
Oxygen is only one component of VE. The rate and percentage of thermal energy
( fuel) converted to mechanical energy is integral to the VE.
[/B]
This is news to me. Can you explain this further? Please explain how this happens.
Also, me being defensive? why? this is the internet, I can care less what you do. I don't even know you BUT I sure know VE and it is NOT what you describe.
1. How old are you?
2. Is your Porsche a full scale Porsche or a 1/24 scale?
3. Are you a "real" Evil Doctor or did you get your evil medical
license from an unaccredited internet source. Maybe Evlimd.com?
#210
05-24-2013, 04:53 PM
Dr. Evil is reportedly color blind. Legend has it, he was fishing for piranha
in the Guyana's and a local voodoo shaman gave him an ancient curse
that left him color blind and devoid of logic.
The pink text is an inside slight relative to the aforementioned story.
I can't speak to the accuracy of the story but then again, he made no
mention of the pink text and he is quite clearly completely illogical.
in the Guyana's and a local voodoo shaman gave him an ancient curse
that left him color blind and devoid of logic.
The pink text is an inside slight relative to the aforementioned story.
I can't speak to the accuracy of the story but then again, he made no
mention of the pink text and he is quite clearly completely illogical.