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A3076 vs. A28 vs. K16G vs. K24 Dyno Overlay

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Old 05-20-2013, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by layinback
We're doing a 3.8 w/ ProEfi and E85

Special turbo setup that spool real super duper

and has plenty up top.

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half the car will be cf. We're shootin for 2700 ish pounds

Oh snap stepping up your game. Still gonna run an X-pipe for 900 hp ?
 
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Originally Posted by prodigymb
Oh snap stepping up your game. Still gonna run an X-pipe for 900 hp ?
Lol The X gotta go in favor of straight pipes


The x design was perfectly fine for the a28s.

650 whp.

I never disagreed with you about the X being the way

to go on a setup like you have.

But if we were in the business of selling exhaust, our

biggest slice of the pie would come from guys who make

500 - 650 at the wheels and most of those guys are looking

for a balance of sound, DD livability and power.

If you had a business that only catered to 800+ hp Porsche

guys............You wouldn't stay ver busy lol
 
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Originally Posted by layinback
500 - 650 at the wheels and most of those guys are looking for a balance of sound, DD livability and power.

If you had a business that only catered to 800+ hp Porsche

guys............You wouldn't stay ver busy lol
isn't an *800* ( #'s again sheesh ) hp porche 650 +/- to the wheels and isn't 550/600 to the crank MAX the best place these cars like to live without strengthening ( for fear of blowing up ) stock internals?

or is all that more internet lore?? ( i'm fresh out of popcorn, be nice ha )



add: scratch that. ( didn't realize you guys are probably talking about 3.8 builds... and the dog keeps using my login when i'm outside. i gotta say he's captured my style )
 

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Originally Posted by layinback
Lol The X gotta go in favor of straight pipes


The x design was perfectly fine for the a28s.

650 whp.

I never disagreed with you about the X being the way

to go on a setup like you have.

But if we were in the business of selling exhaust, our

biggest slice of the pie would come from guys who make

500 - 650 at the wheels and most of those guys are looking

for a balance of sound, DD livability and power.

If you had a business that only catered to 800+ hp Porsche

guys............You wouldn't stay ver busy lol
I believe and know my 100cell Milltek fits that bill also in that range, as others have found out too.
Soon I will be owing a back to back dyno test against an X pipe.
 
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Originally Posted by johnspeed
I believe and know my 100cell Milltek fits that bill also in that range, as others have found out too.
Soon I will be owing a back to back dyno test against an X pipe.
That's a long anticipated test.
 
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Originally Posted by '02996ttx50
isn't an *800* ( #'s again sheesh ) hp porche 650 +/- to the wheels and isn't 550/600 to the crank MAX the best place these cars like to live without strengthening ( for fear of blowing up ) stock internals?

or is all that more internet lore?? ( i'm fresh out of popcorn, be nice ha )



add: scratch that. ( didn't realize you guys are probably talking about 3.8 builds... and the dog keeps using my login when i'm outside. i gotta say he's captured my style )
650 rwhp equates to 'bout 725 crank

650 awhp is about 760 crank

Unless you're an unscrupulous tuner. Then you add 100 hp or whatever you

need to market the package

You can go pretty high hp on stock block but you gotta be careful with

that low end torque, it's a killer

Ideally, my opinion? 500-600 whp for the track or canyons with

a broad power band and adequate low end torque.

Most peeps can't get 90% of the potential of the stock 414 hp on a track

or the twisty. 500+ is serious track hp
 
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Originally Posted by layinback
Ideally, my opinion? 500-600 whp for the track or canyons with

a broad power band and adequate low end torque.

Most peeps can't get 90% of the potential of the stock 414 hp on a track

or the twisty. 500+ is serious track hp
well, that would just be their own personal limitation though..

but i'm geting it, thanks. i have no experience with conditions or driving that would require or even justify 800/1000 hp porsche turbo's. though no disrespect to the guys that setup for that. i am genuinely curious about porsches that drag race/trap etc but for me, it's more of an anomaly, though they are obviously quite capable in that regard and application. i mean, i have seen the wheelies.

but i think you know, my preference ( not knowing firsthand any difference.. ) is driving between 35 and ** mph in sweepers. ya know. unpopulated canyons. though i wouldn't mind a 3.8 and if that meant a bit more hp and a tougher internal build? so be it.
 

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Originally Posted by layinback
That's a long anticipated test.
It was ordered, just waiting for Alex from Fabspeed to make it and send it..
I did put the challenge up for a comparison dyno test which I would pay for the test and buy that company's X pipe if it made more HP..
 
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The Fab should flow pretty good John. People I have sold it to like it.
 
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Originally Posted by '02996ttx50
well, that would just be their own personal limitation though..

but i'm geting it, thanks. i have no experience with conditions or driving that would require or even justify 800/1000 hp porsche turbo's. though no disrespect to the guys that setup for that. i am genuinely curious about porsches that drag race/trap etc but for me, it's more of an anomaly, though they are obviously quite capable in that regard and application. i mean, i have seen the wheelies.

but i think you know, my preference ( not knowing firsthand any difference.. ) is driving between 35 and ** mph in sweepers. ya know. unpopulated canyons. though i wouldn't mind a 3.8 and if that meant a bit more hp and a tougher internal build? so be it.
We've had enough communication, on and off the public boards, to

know that you and I are like minded about Porsche. I did 2 DE courses

at Road Atlanta in '94 and '95. I like to drive these damn cars and I've

had as much fun in my 300 hp 944 turbo as I've ever had in my crazy

alpha 28 911TT!

I'm gonna give the big hp setup a shot. I've got some ideas that fall

a little off the beaten path and we're going to try 'em and see what

happens. Afterwards, I'll detune around the 700 hp level for a DD.

The only reason you'd ever need a 1000 hp on a road course would

be something related to IMSA and you'd be racing for the factory or

at least a factory customer car.

And yes Mark, I know you can drive lol! I had a genius on the 60-130

thread who said that I didn't know how to drive because I don't know

how to drive the 1/4 mile.........in my Porsche He was serious!!!

I didn't respond. How does one respond to that?
 
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Originally Posted by '02996ttx50
well, that would just be their own personal limitation though..

but i'm geting it, thanks. i have no experience with conditions or driving that would require or even justify 800/1000 hp porsche turbo's. though no disrespect to the guys that setup for that. i am genuinely curious about porsches that drag race/trap etc but for me, it's more of an anomaly, though they are obviously quite capable in that regard and application. i mean, i have seen the wheelies.

but i think you know, my preference ( not knowing firsthand any difference.. ) is driving between 35 and ** mph in sweepers. ya know. unpopulated canyons. though i wouldn't mind a 3.8 and if that meant a bit more hp and a tougher internal build? so be it.
A 3.8 conversion is pretty easy and straight forward. You could keep

your turbos the same. It would give you a solid bump in torque across

the powerband and you'd really feel it in the lower end. Absolutely The

best upgrade for your flavor of driving. Add some bigger Ics, Y pipe

and turbo inlets and whamo! You would spool even quicker and the low

end torque wouldn't effect traction. Wider torque band and lightning fast

throttle response. Perfect for the track and winding roads.

The 3.8 conversion is a tad on the pricey side though.
 
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Who will be doing your engine build?
 
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Who will be doing your engine build?
Fred.


He's been wrenching on German for 30 years and he wrenches the

cup cars for Porsche here at Barber Motorsport.

He can rebuild a 996 turbo in 5 days. He's not really a "tuner"
 
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Originally Posted by layinback
A 3.8 conversion is pretty easy and straight forward. You could keep

your turbos the same. Perfect for the track and winding roads.

The 3.8 conversion is a tad on the pricey side though.
well, if and when i ever blow this sh*t up. i would do it, without hesitation. gotta be cheaper than a new gt2/3rs i think though given the mileage on my motor.. i'm gonna wring whatever life she still has in 'er 3.6 innards .. and i still probably won't outlast this 'ol mezger. but i sure would like to hear of yours when it's done.
 
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Originally Posted by layinback
He can rebuild a 996 turbo in 5 days. He's not really a "tuner"
that;s the kind of crew you want. nice. out here it's five days to get on a lift sometimes ha
 


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