Bentley From the original 3 Litre to the current Continental GT and Mulsanne

2007 Bentley Continental GT Air Suspension Failure

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Rate Thread
 
  #46  
Old 04-14-2020 | 01:40 AM
John Fiammetta's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Dec 2017
Posts: 414
From: switzerland
Rep Power: 53
John Fiammetta has a reputation beyond reputeJohn Fiammetta has a reputation beyond reputeJohn Fiammetta has a reputation beyond reputeJohn Fiammetta has a reputation beyond reputeJohn Fiammetta has a reputation beyond reputeJohn Fiammetta has a reputation beyond reputeJohn Fiammetta has a reputation beyond reputeJohn Fiammetta has a reputation beyond reputeJohn Fiammetta has a reputation beyond reputeJohn Fiammetta has a reputation beyond reputeJohn Fiammetta has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by H-M3
john I think my control arms are Shot as on full lock I can hear metal clanging noise plus when I am reversing to my driveway after car has been driven you can hear knocking noise from the front. Any suggestions for alternative parts from TRW or Lemforder? I know they make original parts.
thanks
Need to get a VAG guy to check it all out ....sounds like a lower front but may as well do them all .
The uppers replaced makes a huge improvement to the steering feel . Totally transforms the car .
Those parts are fine also try Eurocarparts ....same parts even comes with Audi rings on .

Better done by folks familiar with VAG front suspension because torquing up the upper inners requires certain arm angles to set the bushes .

Try a VW / Audi dealership or local marque specialist .
 

Last edited by John Fiammetta; 04-14-2020 at 01:47 AM.
  #47  
Old 04-14-2020 | 04:01 AM
H-M3's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Mar 2020
Posts: 111
From: London
Rep Power: 0
H-M3 is infamous around these parts
Originally Posted by John Fiammetta
Need to get a VAG guy to check it all out ....sounds like a lower front but may as well do them all .
The uppers replaced makes a huge improvement to the steering feel . Totally transforms the car .
Those parts are fine also try Eurocarparts ....same parts even comes with Audi rings on .

Better done by folks familiar with VAG front suspension because torquing up the upper inners requires certain arm angles to set the bushes .

Try a VW / Audi dealership or local marque specialist .
cheers John. I have used Autodoc before for my A8 parts. Good prompt delivery and slightly cheaper than Euro. Does anyone know the part numbers please? Might be good to have a sticky.
thanks
 
  #48  
Old 04-16-2020 | 03:01 PM
Yoghurtshotgun's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Nov 2018
Posts: 286
Rep Power: 17
Yoghurtshotgun is infamous around these parts
Originally Posted by John Fiammetta
Need to get a VAG guy to check it all out ....sounds like a lower front but may as well do them all .
The uppers replaced makes a huge improvement to the steering feel . Totally transforms the car .
Those parts are fine also try Eurocarparts ....same parts even comes with Audi rings on .

Better done by folks familiar with VAG front suspension because torquing up the upper inners requires certain arm angles to set the bushes .

Try a VW / Audi dealership or local marque specialist .
As I was replacing strutt I saw one upper was worn bushing so I asked my local parts shop if they could cross match .be pheaton is exactly the same even same number stamped on bush and it was £39
 
  #49  
Old 04-16-2020 | 04:40 PM
H-M3's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Mar 2020
Posts: 111
From: London
Rep Power: 0
H-M3 is infamous around these parts
Originally Posted by Yoghurtshotgun
As I was replacing strutt I saw one upper was worn bushing so I asked my local parts shop if they could cross match .be pheaton is exactly the same even same number stamped on bush and it was £39
thanks. Wonder what system Bentley use for parts?
 
  #50  
Old 04-16-2020 | 05:38 PM
Yoghurtshotgun's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Nov 2018
Posts: 286
Rep Power: 17
Yoghurtshotgun is infamous around these parts
Originally Posted by H-M3
thanks. Wonder what system Bentley use for parts?
I think the system goes like ....get parts made cheap for VW then put a Bentley serial number on it and charge 4 times as much for part.
 
  #51  
Old 04-16-2020 | 06:29 PM
H-M3's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Mar 2020
Posts: 111
From: London
Rep Power: 0
H-M3 is infamous around these parts
Originally Posted by Yoghurtshotgun
I think the system goes like ....get parts made cheap for VW then put a Bentley serial number on it and charge 4 times as much for part.
100%!
what software do they use for part identifying at the dealers?
 
  #52  
Old 04-17-2020 | 04:12 AM
John Fiammetta's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Dec 2017
Posts: 414
From: switzerland
Rep Power: 53
John Fiammetta has a reputation beyond reputeJohn Fiammetta has a reputation beyond reputeJohn Fiammetta has a reputation beyond reputeJohn Fiammetta has a reputation beyond reputeJohn Fiammetta has a reputation beyond reputeJohn Fiammetta has a reputation beyond reputeJohn Fiammetta has a reputation beyond reputeJohn Fiammetta has a reputation beyond reputeJohn Fiammetta has a reputation beyond reputeJohn Fiammetta has a reputation beyond reputeJohn Fiammetta has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by H-M3
100%!
what software do they use for part identifying at the dealers?
Once it was universal amongst the VAG .

I think it may have changed.Interestingly, I needed a relay for the headlight washers a couple of years back .We have a Audi with dealer 7 miles away , easy off a dual carriageway and Bentley 60 miles in a city centre , with ball ache traffic .

As we went in the Bentley to collect the Audi ( service ) I went into the parts dept , with it in my pocket .Guy said he needed the parts number ( obviously) and he currently had TOTAL access to all the VAG cars on his “ system “ .

So with it in his hand covered in a Bentley wing logo he tapped in the part number and up popped up the Audi identical part, crucially any other cross references in the group ...say a Lamborghini and VW etc .

Prices inc .Bentley was £67 , he sucked air through he’s teeth as the Audi was £18 .

Picked one off the shelf , looked identical.....well it was but with Audi rings .

It works and is still on the car .

Unfortunately he then informed me ( Oct ) that a new system was coming , he’s been having training and the new system only allows each franchise to see there own .The old system was whole VAG .



How ever on F chat a Ferrari forum there is a sticky for x parts with the 308 series .You know shared with stuff with Fiat and other Italian cars + much more .Eg the callipers + pads are the same as 70 Porsche’s .The radiator temp sensor....Ferrari price £70 , it’s exactly identical to VW golf @£7 ...stuff like that .



This forum ought to start something like this as basically we have a head start with the Phaeton+ A 8 .
 
  #53  
Old 04-17-2020 | 04:18 AM
H-M3's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Mar 2020
Posts: 111
From: London
Rep Power: 0
H-M3 is infamous around these parts
Originally Posted by John Fiammetta
Once it was universal amongst the VAG .

I think it may have changed.Interestingly, I needed a relay for the headlight washers a couple of years back .We have a Audi with dealer 7 miles away , easy off a dual carriageway and Bentley 60 miles in a city centre , with ball ache traffic .

As we went in the Bentley to collect the Audi ( service ) I went into the parts dept , with it in my pocket .Guy said he needed the parts number ( obviously) and he currently had TOTAL access to all the VAG cars on his “ system “ .

So with it in his hand covered in a Bentley wing logo he tapped in the part number and up popped up the Audi identical part, crucially any other cross references in the group ...say a Lamborghini and VW etc .

Prices inc .Bentley was £67 , he sucked air through he’s teeth as the Audi was £18 .

Picked one off the shelf , looked identical.....well it was but with Audi rings .

It works and is still on the car .

Unfortunately he then informed me ( Oct ) that a new system was coming , he’s been having training and the new system only allows each franchise to see there own .The old system was whole VAG .



How ever on F chat a Ferrari forum there is a sticky for x parts with the 308 series .You know shared with stuff with Fiat and other Italian cars + much more .Eg the callipers + pads are the same as 70 Porsche’s .The radiator temp sensor....Ferrari price £70 , it’s exactly identical to VW golf @£7 ...stuff like that .



This forum ought to start something like this as basically we have a head start with the Phaeton+ A 8 .
Agree Agree and Agree. We need to get this started, especially for cars out of warranty would be beneficial.
what dealer do you normally go to buddy?
Oh also for my D3 Audi A8 I use to use Skoda parts dep before. Find them cheaper than Audi! Lol
cheers
 
  #54  
Old 04-17-2020 | 04:48 AM
John Fiammetta's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Dec 2017
Posts: 414
From: switzerland
Rep Power: 53
John Fiammetta has a reputation beyond reputeJohn Fiammetta has a reputation beyond reputeJohn Fiammetta has a reputation beyond reputeJohn Fiammetta has a reputation beyond reputeJohn Fiammetta has a reputation beyond reputeJohn Fiammetta has a reputation beyond reputeJohn Fiammetta has a reputation beyond reputeJohn Fiammetta has a reputation beyond reputeJohn Fiammetta has a reputation beyond reputeJohn Fiammetta has a reputation beyond reputeJohn Fiammetta has a reputation beyond repute
I use Prestige services in Leeds run by ex Bentley techs from JCT 600 for the really tricky stuff .


Certainly think this forum should have a x parts sticky .

1- Exact same ( diff label / packaging ) most likely as part of the VAG
2- pattern parts ....fit identical function
3- other parts

Its then up to readers to choose or ignore and if used go further to try something that does not come in a package covered in B wings , either endorse or write if there’s an issue with it .Put pics up etc .


A mate had a DB 7 ( @ the time Ford were involved with Aston M) and his girlfriends dad worked at Ford dealerships.She had a Ka .
His hazard relay packed up ....MOT fail .Aston wanted £85 .....GF,s dad took the same part out of the Ford Ka and fitted it in the Aston , and had the DB 7 re tested .
Turns out it was totally identical in every way Ford price was £6 or something.

When the DB 7 guy challenged the Aston dealer over the price difference they asked this is the answer that came back ...or something along theses lines ...
” Aston owners expect to be charged £85 as although it is the same part as Ford Ka , £6 would be too cheap and devalue the brand ethos of exclusivity the expectations of the owner are higher “

I think that’s what VAG are ridding on ......more expectations ....hence probably the Skoda price is at the bottom .....for the same part .
 
  #55  
Old 04-17-2020 | 06:33 AM
TeamJones1962's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 887
From: Indianapolis
Rep Power: 56
TeamJones1962 has much to be proud ofTeamJones1962 has much to be proud ofTeamJones1962 has much to be proud ofTeamJones1962 has much to be proud ofTeamJones1962 has much to be proud ofTeamJones1962 has much to be proud ofTeamJones1962 has much to be proud ofTeamJones1962 has much to be proud ofTeamJones1962 has much to be proud of
John, that is the most disgusting answer I’ve ever heard...🤣

But it happens. Since we have a new moderator for the site let’s get him involved. It was once a thread on here about cross referencing part but it’s long been buried. I think it’s the least we as a community can do for the Bentley community especially the first generation GT’s since many are having to damn near finance the vacuum leak fix. And since the engine is out might as well change out all those other engine out parts.
 
  #56  
Old 04-20-2020 | 02:01 PM
Yoghurtshotgun's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Nov 2018
Posts: 286
Rep Power: 17
Yoghurtshotgun is infamous around these parts
Originally Posted by ArnottInc
There seems to be a bit of confusion regarding Arnott's Remanufactured Struts vs. Arnott Designed New Struts so I wanted to give you some feedback. It really all comes down to cost, the age and value of your vehicle, and what available options you and your installler have available for replacing your faulty strut.

Arnott has become an industry leader in air suspension replacement products by trying to offer high quality, cost-effective, solutions. For the 1st couple of years we don't make anything for a new car since it is covered under warranty but we do start buying, and inspecting, cores. After that, if we can’t devise an air spring only replacement (like we can for some Land Rovers), we start remanufacturing used O.E. Cores which maintain the vehicle's semi-active damping functionality as well as factory auto leveling and OE air ride comfort. We test them but we don't know how many actual miles are on the internal damper - but we do know they are getting more and more use every year (this application has been on the road since 2003) and other internal components start to fail. We even see some that have been remanufactured before.

After a few years we start working on an Arnott designed passive new strut often built to improve upon the OE strut's failure points. It features the luxury and comfort of a new ContiTech multi-ply, cross-cord, air sleeve to smooth out bumps and for auto leveling along with a new damper custom tuned to provide as close to an OE ride as possible. We now partner with shock manufacturer Eibach® to custom tune (valve) the new shock damper which enables our engineers to more precisely tune the strut for an OE like ride. Arnott builds the new passive struts with other Tier 1 (OE quality) components including heavier duty crimping rings, oil resistant seals, new polyurethane bump stop and more. The new struts also are designed with a larger piston that doesn't require the air reservoir and remember - no core charge but we may buy back your core.

Many think the ride is BETTER than the replaced OE but I think that is because over time your OE Shocks slowly wear out especially since they are supporting such a heavy vehicle (think of Monroe’s ad campaigns where they want you to replace traditional shocks after 50k) and since ours are new dampers they often provide a better ride than worn out OEs with 100k, 200k or more miles on them.

We think the Arnott designed new struts are an excellent alternative for aging (some are over 16 years old) air suspension systems because they provide the comfort and auto leveling of air springs and a brand new shock damper which should provide many more years and miles of smooth riding.

We stand behind all of our new and remanufactured air struts (as well as our air springs, compressors and coil conversion kits) by offering a Limited Lifetime Warranty in North America for as long as you own the vehicle and have a 30-day money back guarantee if you don't like the ride. Here are the current options Arnott provides installers and customers for the 2003-2019 Bentley Continental GT, 2006-2019 Flying Spur and 2003-2006 Volkswagen Phaeton including Arnott remanufactured OE struts and Arnott designed new struts - All assembled in our Merritt Island, Florida factory: https://www.arnottindustries.com/pro...ying-spur/2013


Arnott Designed AS-3128 Passive New Front Left Air Suspension Strut for the 2003-2019 Bentley Continental GT, 2006-2019 Flying Spur and 2003-2006 Volkswagen Phaeton
could you explain what goes into an arnott suspension strutt that others don't have making them worth the money you demand ?? From dismantling a strutt all I can see is a damper an air bag and the electrical soft/hard selector .the original Bentley strutt seems exactly the same as the Chinese one I had even down to the thickness of the bag.is this a case of other manufacturers catching up with industry leaders.clearly it's down to quality of parts but I'm struggling to see how more superior the expensive parts are to the cheaper ones thanks
 
  #57  
Old 11-16-2020 | 09:25 AM
chpcampb's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Nov 2020
Posts: 1
From: NC
Rep Power: 0
chpcampb is infamous around these parts
I just bought a 2010 SuperSports. Overnight, the front driver’s side sinks down noticeably. I bought RMT struts, had them installed last week at the Bentley dealership, and the problem persists. What is the next most likely culprit?
 
  #58  
Old 07-30-2021 | 06:57 PM
05GT's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Jul 2021
Posts: 2
Rep Power: 0
05GT is infamous around these parts
Originally Posted by chpcampb
I just bought a 2010 SuperSports. Overnight, the front driver’s side sinks down noticeably. I bought RMT struts, had them installed last week at the Bentley dealership, and the problem persists. What is the next most likely culprit?

Did you figure out what the problem was ?
 
  #59  
Old 08-05-2021 | 08:54 AM
Randy V's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 365
From: Encinitas CA
Rep Power: 20
Randy V is infamous around these parts
Hey guys - are the Arnott struts recommended here? I recall Johnny HS indicated an issue with a vendor that was claiming to 'rebuild' struts but was actually only painting them. Maybe not Arnott.

Also, are Arnott available in USA? I'll be needing to replace my struts soon and would like to know a source for an Audi or VW part at the lower cost.

Appreciate any leads!
 
  #60  
Old 08-25-2022 | 09:14 PM
Johnny Hotspur GT's Avatar
Administrator
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 3,446
From: Montgomery NJ
Rep Power: 1002
Johnny Hotspur GT Is a GOD !Johnny Hotspur GT Is a GOD !Johnny Hotspur GT Is a GOD !Johnny Hotspur GT Is a GOD !Johnny Hotspur GT Is a GOD !Johnny Hotspur GT Is a GOD !Johnny Hotspur GT Is a GOD !Johnny Hotspur GT Is a GOD !Johnny Hotspur GT Is a GOD !Johnny Hotspur GT Is a GOD !Johnny Hotspur GT Is a GOD !
Originally Posted by Randy V
Hey guys - are the Arnott struts recommended here? I recall Johnny HS indicated an issue with a vendor that was claiming to 'rebuild' struts but was actually only painting them. Maybe not Arnott.

Also, are Arnott available in USA? I'll be needing to replace my struts soon and would like to know a source for an Audi or VW part at the lower cost.

Appreciate any leads!
Originally Posted by Ericc6727
Honestly I don't recommend it, they're not very reliable.
​​​​​​Hello @Randy V ,
I missed this from a year ago, but since@Ericc6727 brought this to the top, I will clarify my prior comments.

As to Arnott's "Remanufactured" as they claimed their struts were, the struts themselves were never rebuilt or remanufactured, the strut and the air bladder/bag are two separate items that together make up the struts as we all know, so as per several Arnott reps, the strut air bladder assembly is disassembled, and the strut is then inspected for oil leaks, and tested for resistance as to pressure applied, like testing an old shock, as that is basically what a strut is, plus the electric side of it for dampening, if the strut has no oil leaks, and passes Arnott's pressure test, then it is cleaned and painted, nothing is rebuilt or remanufactured on the strut itself, the strut then has a new air bladder and associated parts installed onto it...

My issue along with other's was, that rebuilt and remanufactured are not the same process, Arnott said that I was wrong and that both were the same, or at least a gray area, I have always been of the belief that rebuilt is only the process of repairing the issue that has caused the failure, that could be just a bad o-ring, whereas remanufactured is to remanufacture the complete item back to factory specifications, I personally witnessed a similar situation many years ago, whereas a transmission shop had a sting operation at their shop, the shop said the transmission was remanufactured, and certain items had been marked inside the transmission by the government agency, well the shop only repaired the issue causing the shifting problem, a bad vacuum modulator, so they changed the filter, fluid, VM.
The shop charged for a full remanufactured transmission, and not just the rebuild they provided, the shop was found guilty of fraud.

Also, the main issue with Arnott is the fact you send in your struts, you may have very low mileage, BUT, you do not receive your struts back, I asked Arnott, " I could get someone else's struts that may have 100,000 miles or more", Arnott replied "yes, it could be less, or it could be more, we have no idea of the actual mileage, but we test them"...

The next issue came with their new in-house design, whereas they never told anyone of the deletion of active dampening until myself and others here and on Audiworld questioned Doug of Arnott about this issue, he always comes back with the cost and the age of the vehicle, none of us involved in any of the conversations ever requested a lower price, or a lesser product..

Then after I pressed a rep for answers on the new design and the vehicles suspension control module fault, he said "after you purchase our product, we will tell you how it works to fool the cm", right then I knew they were not "100% OEM" as he kept repeatedly stating, I kept at it demanding answers so I may share here, AW, and elsewhere, well after being put on hold and passed through 3 or 4 people, I got the truth, "yes, we use a resistor to fool the control module, no, it does not have active dampening"... then it isn't 100% OEM is it.

https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/15...lt-components/

Johnny
 

Last edited by Johnny Hotspur GT; 08-25-2022 at 09:31 PM.


You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.

Quick Reply: 2007 Bentley Continental GT Air Suspension Failure



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:23 AM.