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Old 08-16-2021 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Zaos
Spent the weekend finally putting it together. Had some issues with the exhaust studs shearing, so I had to buy an acetylene torch and knock them out. I took my time being much more rewarding doing it slowly.
Only got the wheel arches to put back on and hopefully all works. Pulling a w12 Bentley engine, is probably one of the most difficult engines ever had to pull lol....


Hi Zaos,
How much hight have you under the car fully lifted. I haven't bought a lift as my roof is only 9ft high. Can you stand or crouch under the car?
 
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Old 08-17-2021 | 12:20 PM
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Old 08-17-2021 | 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Zaos
@Johnny Hotspur GT You could not be more correct. I totally over tightened my vacuum lines, causing their failure. Wish I learned earlier, but they always worked. However, if I weren't such a tight A$$ like I am, it would be fine. I am still not a fan of the Oetiker clamps, but learned not to screw them too much .......




Definitely making me a tight A$$
There's no doubt the hose clamps shouldn't have been used as they dig into the rubber when they're tightened. But my other concern would be what type of rubber hose did you use for the vacuum line? It appears the vacuum hose may have become brittle as well from the excessive heat and the hose clamps exacerbated it.

I know a lot of guys perform this procedure but the use of metal lines with rubber hose that is NOT impervious to heat is going to fail rapidly. Make certain to use adequate vacuum hose. Good luck with the job, very commendable to take that on yourself.
 
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Old 08-21-2021 | 02:01 PM
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All my lines are metal. I only used enforced rubber hoses, where metal lines meets other connections. The vacuum hoses I used were perfect, just not the tightening.
 
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Old 08-21-2021 | 02:11 PM
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Update here....
Got my engine back together. All is good on vacuum....ETC.
Then backed the car out of my garage and suddenly could not shift anymore ?????
No forward, no backward, just a big noise while putting into Park again....
I thought of low ATF levels etc, but put my car back on the rack again and had my wife switching gears and,
turns out that the outer right CV joint was dis-engaged....
I had the car properly jacked and programmed?

Either way, this will become another How-To

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Old 08-21-2021 | 02:55 PM
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Old 08-21-2021 | 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Zaos
backed the car out of my garage and suddenly could not shift anymore ?????
No forward, no backward, just a big noise while putting into Park again....
I thought of low ATF levels etc, but put my car back on the rack again and had my wife switching gears and,
turns out that the outer right CV joint was dis-engaged....
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Hello @Zaos ,
Sorry to hear this.

I posted yesterday in another thread here about how I had the same issue, somewhat.

I lost the front right CV joint on my A8L W12 while driving, I heard a quick noise, I came to a stop at the light, when I tried to move turning right, the vehicle would not move, no forward nor reverse, and that grinding noise of trying to trying to put a spinning automatic transmission into Park, it only took a few seconds for my brain to kick in on to what that issue was, I hadn't heard that noise in years, way back when I snapped a drive shaft in half on one of my cars with to much power and grip of the tires... 😅

It's strange how our "All Wheel Drive" works, one wheel off the ground and the vehicle goes nowhere, nor will you have any Park, as I tried to explain this to the tow truck driver, as he started the engine and put it in gear again, I had to yell just turn off the engine in gear and use the electric parking brake, he was like, why,, I was like, OMG man...

Lucky, I had a spare output shaft for the transmission at home.

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Old 08-22-2021 | 07:39 AM
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ouch, yup. This job in not a fun one
 
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Old 12-19-2021 | 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Zaos
Just after you starting to lift the car over the engine, you must remember disconnecting these two hoses inside the right wheel well

My Engine support contraption
Thanks for the tips. I'd like to ask what your engine support contraption is? That scissor lift platform cart? I'm asking because I'm fixing to pull the engine on my 2008 GTC. I have a forklift and was thinking of making some sort of purpose built engine support I could put on the forks, but your scissor lift platform looks like a good tool for the job, and if I could buy one, that would be one less excuse for not getting to it. And I'll freely admit that tying into this job is rather daunting for me... it's been a lot of years since I've done anything this involved. I'm resigned to likely having to do the job twice, the second time to fix what I don't get right the first time.
 
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Old 12-20-2021 | 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by W. M. Hellinger
Thanks for the tips. I'd like to ask what your engine support contraption is? That scissor lift platform cart? I'm asking because I'm fixing to pull the engine on my 2008 GTC. I have a forklift and was thinking of making some sort of purpose built engine support I could put on the forks, but your scissor lift platform looks like a good tool for the job, and if I could buy one, that would be one less excuse for not getting to it. And I'll freely admit that tying into this job is rather daunting for me... it's been a lot of years since I've done anything this involved. I'm resigned to likely having to do the job twice, the second time to fix what I don't get right the first time.
Having removed my powertrain earlier this year in order to swap the transmission, I would say that the key to making the task as simple as possible is to think of the way that the job is done on production.

That is to say with the body perfectly level, and the whole powertrain being able to be lowered and raised perfectly vertically, ideally with both having datum marks for reference.

I used a scissor lift table very similar to that used by Zaos, however it had sufficient length to be able to support both the engine and the transmission.

I copied the factory manuals by making pair of support frames – one for the engine, one for the transmission, as shown in the pictures.





Each of the vertical legs uses a piece of 16mm studding with a ball bearing brazed into the top to match the receptacles cast in the sump. The bottom of the threaded leg is fitted to a nylon bush inside the tube, which minimises wobble.

By marking the floor to show exactly where the lift was, and having marks on the table to show the position of the support frames, I couldn’t believe how easily the powertrain went straight back up into the car.

I realise just how daunting a task it is, but if you’re methodical and write down every step as you do it (don’t rely on IETIS) then it’s not too bad.

I also marked every pipe at both ends before disconnection using differing coloured tie-wraps.

I bought a large supply of grip seal plastic bags which had the white writing panel, and as every part or fastener came off it went into a bag and I annotated the bag with what and where.

 
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Old 12-20-2021 | 01:39 AM
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Top spannering, there, I feel

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Old 12-20-2021 | 01:54 AM
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Top spannering, there, I feel

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Why thank you kind sir.

With no hint of apology I feel that if I, as an unqualified amateur (in both senses of the phrase), can do a job like this at home, and succeed, then why does someone who insists on putting their educational qualification in their user name, feel that it is acceptable to ‘ask the Internet’ before troubling themselves to do the basics.
Sadly I fear that the Internet encourages this type of 'learned helplessness'...


 
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Old 12-20-2021 | 02:25 AM
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Why thank you kind sir.

With no hint of apology I feel that if I, as an unqualified amateur (in both senses of the phrase), can do a job like this at home, and succeed, then why does someone who insists on putting their educational qualification in their user name, feel that it is acceptable to ‘ask the Internet’ before troubling themselves to do the basics.
Sadly I fear that the Internet encourages this type of 'learned helplessness'...
Well yes, I understand what you mean. However some knowledge is specialised and some people have more rigidly defined comfort zones. Personally I'm lazy. I could *probably* do what you've done. Probably after a few attempts, and certainly not as well looking. But I don't actually *want* to.

I do try and work out my own problems, but I will ask for help when I run out of ability

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Old 12-20-2021 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Dark Green
I used a scissor lift table very similar to that used by Zaos, however it had sufficient length to be able to support both the engine and the transmission.
Thanks for the tips... that's very helpful! Looking your picture of your scissor lift table, I realized I have a capable motorcycle scissor lift table which should be ideal... I'll put some decent casters on it... after I retrieve it from a neighbor who borrowed it a couple years ago. (I'd rather forgot about that till now)
 
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Old 12-21-2021 | 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by W. M. Hellinger
Thanks for the tips... that's very helpful! Looking your picture of your scissor lift table, I realized I have a capable motorcycle scissor lift table which should be ideal... I'll put some decent casters on it... after I retrieve it from a neighbor who borrowed it a couple years ago. (I'd rather forgot about that till now)
If the motorcycle in question is a Harley, then what follows will not be relevant, but do bear in mind that the fully dressed powertrain assembly weighs somewhere around 600kg, so a motorcycle lift may not be adequate. Also, the castors will have to be suitably rated.
 


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