Thanks for the info. Knowledge is power! This seems to be particularly true with Bentley. There is so much 'hidden' about the car. That is why I value this site and its members so highly.

As I have said before I love the car so far. It really is the marriage of German engineering with British Old World livery skills. The downside is the exorbitant mark up due to the Bentley mystique. The car has that Niemann-Marcus {aka needless markup now out of business} aura of being more expensive just because some people want to brag about such things. In reality is is a machine, period. A bolt is a bolt and an Audi or Bentley turbocharger is still a VW part.
That is not sour grapes just reality I am happy that I can now afford a Bentley after the depreciation has levelled off. Same thing for the Maserati I just sold.. I loved that car too but I am getting to old for two seat rockets. Wish I could have afforded to keep it and the Bentley.

Not sure what parts my cart is getting from Bentley but the soon to be out of my life shop ordered your same parts with the last codes being R and S. 3W1612041

I will post up my invoice after this is all said and done. Again, never know what they are really going to find. I did watch Johnny's YT video and went out to the car to take a look at the lines from the intake for splits. Nothing there but there were no clamps either. I clamped them down to see if that would make a difference but alas not the problem.

Looks like your shop was around $150 / hr - the three shops in my area are independent{s} 160 and 180, Bentley $210.

 

In my view, having a good shop is worth its weight in gold, I am really happy with my folks. Johnny posted a issue and solution (exhaust leak from a bad plug) here and they were willing to use his expertise to troubleshoot. They were so proud of their work, they posted a Youtube video of their work that saved me thousands of dollars (really it was Johnny that saved the money, I owe that guy a case of something).

They give credit to this website and Johnny's great pics and explanation.


The car they feature outside isn't mine, mine is blue but they used some stock footage.

Anyway, I love my independent, I bought the whole shop a pizza lunch when they had my engine out, it is just such an enormous job (except for Johnny, lol, he can probably pull and replace in an eight-hour day while taking calls from terrified Bentley owners at the same time) I thought I should treat them well

I took my sister's New Beetle in for TLC. She had so much fun, she had to park between two Ferraris. I asked them to go through everything and she ended up with new tires, a new battery, an oil change and a new trunk release…they could have taken me for a run but replaced what needed to be replaced and didn't try to jam anything else down my throat. I think part of that is because they are so busy, they have no need to pad bills.

My Bentley is in a real dealership right now for an issue my independent can't solve without Dealer computers (key) and we'll see if they rip me off or are good too. I've been scared of them.

Anyway, the cost of my car was low, so I knew I would have to spend some real money keeping it in perfect shape. As of my key issue, my car has no check engine light, no weird squeaks, nothing wrong at all. It's really as reliable as a new car. Gotta keep electricity in the battery though.

 

Cool, I guess I will be on the look out for another shop. If anyone has some recommendations in the Atlanta area please let me know. Right now playing it close to the vest as I want to make sure the current shop gives me the parts I paid for. Sad part is I like the guys and the mechanic but they have lost my trust. I have been arguing with them for almost 4 weeks about this.

As I said I will post up my experience with Bentley Atlanta after I get done.

I, too, planned for some 'make it right' items when I purchased mine. I just did not expect it so soon. And one has to wax a bit philosophical about the whole thing. I have owned numerous boats and an airplane. If you think owning a Bentley is dear try owning an airplane. LOL

I was scared off too but in retrospect had I called the Bentley place I would have my car fixed by now. The call would have been free. I ASSUMED the worst and we all know what assume means. Anyway my bad.

Saving money by not going to a dealership might just well be false economy. I used to 'sell drugs' aka pharma rep and my boss once gave me a comeback to the 'this drug is too expensive' complaint. You know what the most expensive drug in the world is? The one that doesn't work!

 

Lastly, I don't remember you posting your symptoms, but after they replaced my lines I had one fitting pop off and go to vacuum leak, full-on. It was the most obvious thing in the world, the car would barely idle, it would rev and drop, rev and drop, I suspect even small leaks have to be fixed. they popped the fitting back on and it was good as new.

If you watch the video, it has a side-angle of my Ben Hur radio installation and phone mount, both of which I really like.

 

Hello @dangme55 ,
I am wishing you great success with BOA.

As to the other shop ordering parts in the amount of $2400.00, what exactly did they order, if they ordered the lines that are for the 04-06.5 system setup over the transmission, then they ordered the incorrect parts, and you should refuse them, if they ordered the correct 06.5 - 07 style lines then they are lying as to the lines being over the transmission, because by ordering said 07 lines, one would see in the diagram that there are no lines over the transmission, so why did they argue that point so much with you, did they ever concede that they were wrong ?

It got me po'ed just reading it, so here are some pictures showing the 2004-06.5 vs. the 2006.5 -07 forward.

@British ,
Thank you as always, I do my best to help, I can't stand the bs, or the willful denial when confronting a person whom I know 100% has either no clue, or is willfully trying to screw someone over, it's one thing to have your tricks of your trade and knowledge one has learned, and one should be paid handsomely for their time and expertise, but when confronted with what is 100% known and to deny it, then charge as if they are doing the job as they quoted, but to then not do as the said, not cool.
I will give a quick example from just last Friday, I took my Dad's car to get an oil change and the coolant corrected, Dad had a hose pop off a few months ago, he filled the system with just water and drove home steaming, both him and the engine, I went over and took care of the new hose, clamp, and new serpentine belt, he said just leave the water for now, so last Friday I was going to do it myself, but said to myself "let me run it to Midas", well the service writer told me he could not just drain the water out of the system by the petcock at the bottom of the radiator, he had to "power flush" it to "get all the water out of the heater core, thermostat housing, block, and radiator, well I paid the extra $120 just to get it done and get my father back his car, as he had mine🙄, I decided to go clean dad's car and bring it back to him the next morning, but first I wanted to check the anti-freeze with my tester, well, it should have had 4 to 5 ***** floating, but only had one floating halfway, I drove right over to Midas and asked what happened, I received a dumbfounded look, they put the car back on the rack and I waited while doing phone calls, I looked into the bay area and said to myself, #&#<÷*#_<÷&>@, I walked right into the work area and asked the service technician where his power flush system was, as he was just draining the system by the petcock as I suggested the day before, he said "we don't have any power flush system, never have, I just drained a little yesterday and added some coolant", the boss and the girl at the counter both disappeared, I asked for him and waited, but he never came out from the back, I will not be returning to his shop.

Sorry for the long rant Jim and others.

Johnny


2006.5 - 2007 GT Line Pictures.







2004 - 06.5 GT Line Pictures

 

Hi all,

Now I really need some help. I took my car to the Bentley dealer as I mentioned previously. The good news, they did a full inspection, the bad news is they are saying that I have a static code for the boost control sensor. I think I saw this before on my Thinkcar and it cleared. I believe it said implausible signal - which I took to mean electrical gremlins.

So we just jumped from a $3,800 steering rack replacement to an engine out service of over $10K.

As I understand them they are saying the static code means it is dead broke. (Which is where I am heading apparently. ) So I have the option of doing about $5K worth of work and taking my chances that the code will clear or go with the engine out.

Lurking in the background the selling dealer is telling me they are trying (and definitely will) to fix a title defect. So I am now in 8 weeks to the car with no clear title. WTF? To say the least I am reluctant to plunk 10K plus into the car without a title.

I am not sure things could get worse, but then again, Murphy was an optimist.

This has gone from a no-brainer to FUBAR.

Help!! I need some options and dispassionate opinions.

So here are my options as I see them:
1. Bring the car back to the independent shop - $9,800 not including the sensor and add that
2. Go with the Bentley authorized service which is now at $6,500
3. Park the car and take it to Jason - (eat $2,400 in parts if can't sell on EBay)
4. Park the car in a 'shady' area of town and hire an arsonist??

Thanks in advance!

 

Hello @dangme55 Jim,
Well first off, I think waiting to have a proper title is the most important item to deal with first.

As far as the "boost control sensor", did they give you a part number, a scan, or a fault code ?

The N75 boost control valve (solenoid) is not a sensor, but is a solenoid for the right side turbo (bank 1), and it is located above the alternator and is accessible by removing the front bumper and radiator package, no engine drop, the N249 boost control valve is basically the same exact as the N75, just given a different number as to it's location for the drivers (LHD) turbo, this one is buried up behind the driver's side turbo (bank 2), and most likely is a engine drop.

So please tell us exactly which item they are referring to.

https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...valve-n75.html


Johnny

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Johnny,

Thanks again. Right now I only trust you (and others on the forum) and Jason. OTW it seems that the old proverb about opinions is operative.
I took the car to Bentley as they said they could do the vacuum lines with just a rack drop. Then the fun began.

They nicked me for 3 hours for a complete inspection and were not up front about it. So not happy about it but I did get a complete health check.

So they say I they say I need:
1. vacuum lines at $4K
2. brake booster check valve $1,500 (not sure why this is so expensive I am assuming this is accessible in the driver wheel well??)
3. oil drain plug is leaking $400 (I think this is just pull the plug and add crush washers so not only really felony stupid expensive but can defer to next service)

plus a bunch of other non-essential things including the shifter dust cover ($900 LOL)

When I hooked up my Thinkcar module to read codes the first time I only got the P0455 Evap code On subsequent reads I got a number of other codes. The codes come and go according to how confused the ECU gets. One of them was I believe a P2563. When I look now the numeric code is not in the Thinkcar report but the text is/was: Turbocharger Boost Control Position Sensor - implausible signal. Bentley is telling me that it is a 'static' code and probably will not go away. Never heard of a static code and I have cleared it in the past. Just before I took it to them I did not see that code.

This turbo code is why they say I need to replace some sensor as well and requires an engine drop.

Their estimates now total about $18K but in fairness I think there is duplicate labor in there some of that will go away.

So I am now reeling and suffering from paralysis from analysis.

I have it down to two choices I think. Get Bentley to fix the brake boost check valve and the lines and take my chances on the turbo sensor. That depends highly on whether there is the real requirement to engine out for the position sensor. This is another of the 'famed' Bentley 10K og labor to fix a $0.30 part.

Bring the car home and use it for 'emergency' runs and put it on a BatteryTender until Jason clears a spot for me.

I am going to call Bentley this morning and get answers to the part numbers and check Scuderia.

So far I have sunk costs of $2400 for lines and drop kit that Bentley won't use.

 

Update - called Bentley this morning. - they say it is the bank 1 sensor which would put it on the left side. Hence the engine drop. After discussion we got the labor consolidated but still looking at $13K. I asked about the brake vacuum check valve. The more questions I asked the more chilly the conversation became. $250 for the part and 6 hours of labor. 6 hours?? to take off the wheel panel and replace a line - things got really chilly.

Any way calling Jason.

Picking up the car from Bentley and parking it until I get all this sorted out.

 

Hello Gentlemen,

Bank 1 tubo boost sensor is on the US passenger side. Removal of the front bumper cover and swinging out the radiator etc. Is required. The solenoid is above the alternator.....no engine out. The driver's side bank 2 is a different story.

Close up of bank 1 boost control solenoid. Engine in automobile.


Again bank1 boost control solenoid w/arrow to be specific.

 

Great ! Thanks again to everyone!

So bottom line I spoke to Jason this morning. The car is going to him as soon as he frees up in December. I will have to park it except for emergencies and put it on a
Battery Tender until then but I am much more confident in Jason than I am even with Bentley. $210 / hr is bordering on obscene.
Not that I am against people making a fair living but I was a very technical network and software guy for 30 years and we never charged that kind of money. $210 an hour is $420K a year - my cardiologist does not make that much and he keeps me alive (mostly LOL)

Hope everyone stays safe and again thanks for all the help.
Jim

 

Hello @dangme55 ,
I did an edit to my post number 22 to add the picture showing the banks 1 & 2, as @1eapplebaum and myself have stated, the bank 1 solenoid is not a engine out job, it is accessible by removing the front bumper and radiator support package.

Being they now say it is bank 1, it is the passenger side (right side) as seen from the position of sitting in the driver's seat (LHD), and as stated, it is not an engine out job.

But, the big question is, being that they did a three hour inspection, and wrote up a quote for all work, you should have a printout of said quote showing all part numbers, if so, please share it here, hopefully along with a full scan from the Bentley dealership.

Next, being that they are calling it a "sensor" instead of a solenoid, is it possible that we are thinking of the wrong item, hard to tell without a part number, I say this because on the 2004 to 2007 model years, the turbos had a sensor on each turbo on the bottom of the diaphragms as pictured below, so being that you have a 2007, is this the part they are referring to, if so, either side is also serviceable without dropping the engine.

Johnny

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Johnny,

Wow! Thanks!
Well, everything they sent me for estimates was bundled. As I mentioned when I spoke to the service manager to get more info she was elusive turning to somewhat icy and short. I am going to pick up the car on Monday so maybe I can get a printout.. Apparently, as we already know, the average Bentley owner is not too concerned with details or cost.
What I got was an online generic service order description not a real detailed RO. As I kept poking I got her to send me a revised estimate. For example, originally they said my drain plug was leaking and it would be $400+ to fix. Apparently AutoNation changed the oil with the wrong crush washers. So that went to like $11 when the engine drop was quoted - I presume there was originally a couple hours of labor to remove the air effects etc in the front.
The original approval request had a lot of duplicate labor charges that were gone when the engine drop was recalculated. But, as I said there was not an itemized RO, it is more like 'RO for Dummies' LOL
Old Fighter Jock saying - 'if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle'm with bull****' seems to be operative here.
I WILL post up everything I can for historical reference.
As I mentioned the car is going to Jason as soon as possible.
If I can print anything from the Bentley stuff I will

So I am now compiling a list of 'stuff' to replace proactively ala list that @British has in his post. Since I was an airport bum for a substantial part of my life I am used to TCO(Time Change Order) maintenance on airplanes where parts are routinely replaced before MTBF as a precaution. So with the engine out what parts need to come off? All suggestions welcome.

 

As I said RO for Dummies - nothing specific to 'shop' -- can't print them so here are the screenshots - Check and advise cost me over $600, No itemization I will see if I can get that on Monday. The shift trim is actually the dust cover. $900 ygbsm I bought an aftermarket for $30 on EBay and I figure no more than an hour tp pull the console and remove the dust cover unit and replace it all. The other shop wanted 3 hours. I got them down to two but now I think I will do it myself. I plan to update the Infotainment at some point with the Xcarlink

 

Thanks for posting all this, it's nice to see the details and what to possibly expect in my car.. never once thought about turbo solenoids but now I'm prepared, I hope!