Back in my younger FP days we had a term 'blivit' which is ten pounds of s*** in a five pound bag. The engine compartment and engine are a marvel but they are a blivit. Apparently not much can be fixed without dropping the engine out to the tune of 40 hrs of labor.

The car is still worth the labor of love IMHO. I had planned for such eventualities just not after six weeks. Without this group I would have been totally befuddled. There are a lot of myths about the car.

I am still hoping to get a better read from Bentley than the above RO for Dummies. The 10K figure is basically drop the engine and then the rest is parts once the engine is out. @British has the post above on precautionary stuff to replace. Once it is out might as well put the parts on while the labor is already a sunk cost.

Not sure about different shops policies but except for Jason no one wants to put in parts they did not make a profit on. Bentley charges an arm and a leg as well as your first born. I have looked at the prices from Scuderia and Flying Spares which are still costly but not in the Bentley league.

I have also found that certain Bentley parts that are VAG parts can be found much cheaper by searching 3DO v. 3WO as the prefix.

Save your money because apparently it is not if but when.

 

So I picked up the car at the Bentley Dealer yesterday. They were cordial but definitely not enthusiastic when I told them I was deferring. I also questioned exactly what was going to be fixed and what parts.

The parts manager was much more helpful than the service writer.

So here is what I believe is wrong:
1. Vacuum lines -- As I said the car is going to Jason in a few weeks so these are really not operative (although the original shop has not called me to tell me they have them to the tune of $2,400)
VACUUM PIPE 3W1612041S
DROP KIT 3W0198115K
VACUUM PIPE 3W1612041R

2. Turbo pressure sensor - yes this is not the boost control solenoid. The IPC shows them on top of the intercooler. They are Bentley part # 03890051D not sure how much they are at Bentley I think around $150 at Scuderia. The
BOSCH 0261230266 Info listed as turbo boost pressure sensor on Rock Auto is $15. Of course, as I was told it is a BENTLEY part, NOT! Good Lord, not sure I can afford all the KY you need to deal with Bentley.

3. They told me that the brake vacuum boost check valve was broken. After checking with the parts person turns out it is part 037906283C. Looks like this part number comes up as turbo control sensor in the IPC but apparently it is used in several places on the car. My BIN/IPC says it is a secondary air/EGR valve. It is located on the front of the engine near the oil filler. IPC/BIN 061204F0003 Part 9 Engine Vacuum System unleaded IETIS 2010 edition

I have it on order from Amazon for $16 for after market Bappi or something like that. Once it comes I am going to try to change it out myself. Bentley wanted $450.

If I can get it out I am curious to see what codes it 'fixes.' This whole thing started with an EVAP gross leak code. P0455 I originally took it to the first shop to check that out as I thought it was a purge valve issue. this may 'fix' a few things although it is still going to Jason regardless.

So I still have a question(s) can the top of the intercoolers be reached without dropping the engine? The service manager swore you could not get to the Bank 1 solenoid without dropping the engine. So she said engine had to drop for the pressure sensor even though they could do the vacuum lines with just steering rack out.

So that is the saga so far.

Again thanks to @Johnny Hotspur GT and @British for all their help!!!

 

Hello the problem is also on supersports 2010??

 

Unfortunately, yes. Not a matter of if, but when. It is a known 'defect' in first generation cars. I knew it going in just got unlucky. Even if you do a PPI and there is not a problem eventually the lines will split and leak. The good news is that after 2006 it is not an engine out job.

I am new to this but there are plenty of experts here who have been great mentors. @Johnny Hotspur GT in particular.

 

Hello Jim @dangme55 ,
Just to clarify, as I got a little confused as to if this was one item, or two or three, as you ask about the intercoolers, then mentioned bank 1 solenoid, then pressure sensor, the intercoolers have nothing to do with dropping the engine, they are accessible by removing the front bumper and some plastic and rubberized air ducts that feed the intercoolers, you may want to have a look from the bottom of the vehicle with the belly pan removed to see if you can get a hand up to the top, and have access to remove the two screws holding the sensor in place, as to the BANK 1 solenoid above the alternator, that is accessible by removing the front bumper and putting the radiator support package into it's service position.

Johnny

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Johnny,

Sorry, I kind of 'mixed my metaphors' in the last post. And, again, thanks for your fabulous pix.

Since this thread is getting interminably long I will try to summarize to that others can have a quicker read.

Do you remember the old TV show 'Who Do You Trust?' this has been a variation of that. Rightly or wrongly I am very suspicious of dealing with a service writer rather than a real wrench bender. I view service writers as marginally educated COMMISSIONED sales people designed to make money for the service department. I have known a few I trusted so not to be unfair but Caveat Emptor is definitely operative.

So here is the recap of where I am now.

In the beginning I got a P0455 gross evap leak. I took it to Shop A an independent shop. They smoked the car and pronounced a vacuum leak. We got in to an argument about the line routing and steering rack v. engine drop. They insisted on an engine drop. With parts and labor $10K. I am now 'out' $2,400 for parts which still have not arrived (4 weeks) so initial trust level okay currently not much. Hope I can get the parts to sell on EBay.

In a moment of curiosity I called Bentley. They said no drop they could do it for $3,800 out the door via steering rack. Off to B. Once there, after two days, they did a $660 inspection I did not order and pronounced the long list of service items the RO's for Dummies in the previous posts. Since the recommendation now included the turbo boost sensor we had a discussion in a previous reply on this thread as to whether it was a boost solenoid or a sensor. In that thread it was noted that if it were a Bank 1 solenoid it could be reached via the radiator no need to drop engine. Not so for Bank 2 but this is a Bank 1 issue.

That brought up my question on the intercoolers. Since this is, indeed, a sensor on the intercooler not the Bank 1 solenoid could they be reached without an engine drop in the same manner as the Bank 1 solenoid. The service manager said emphatically no and that she had never heard (in 16 years) of replacing the the Bank1 solenoid via radiator route. Engine drop required. $10.5K. Plus $1,500 to replace a $15 solenoid on the front of the engine, plus at least $2K in vacuum lines and sensors at B's Neimann-Marcus prices. $3.8K to $13+ K in a heartbeat. IOW bend over and KY is optional at extra cost! Not a wit of trust right now for B. either

I looked closely at your pix of the intercooler and from what I see the part I need, the sensor, has both a Bentley and a Bosch part number. The difference is the $15 part on Rock Auto site from Bosch ends in 133 not 073 the preceding digits are the same. Looking across part sites the turbo sensor is apparently a standard Bosch part used by VAG in various iterations and priced by the 'status' level of the marque from VW-Audi-Bentley. $15-250.

Bottom line the car is going to Jason in December - that is if AutoNation gets me a clear title to the car - that is a whole 'nuther story.

So I will be looking for another small shop that does German cars to develop a relationship with.

So I trust this forum and Jason. The rest? not a chance.

So again, muchos thankos to @Johnny Hotspur GT @British and everyone else who has pitched in their thoughts.

The engine is coming out at Giannetti's so I will start another thread or do a search on what items we should change while the engine is out.

Jim

 

Can someone edit and mark out exactly where the vacuum lines are, on the PASSENGER side of the first picture in this post?

I need to locate the T valve that’s tucked in that wheel well, just to the left of the steering rack.