On paper, it doesn't.



All this whinning about brakes on BMW is getting really old. You must have know if you owned BMW for years so why keep beating the dead horse. Just change the brakes if you don't like it anyway. Easy fix. Also, I spank regular Porsches (C2, C2s and C4s) in my M3 everytime they come on to a roadcourses. Those cars cost a lot more than M3 and has better brakes along.

E92 M3 won't become my next car but as far as I know, it's faster than its predecessors, priced reasonably and on a track it's still better than it's competitors such as 3900lb nose heavy RS4 and 3700lbs C63 with autotragic box.

 

I guarantee that if you get the CSL out in the middle of July or August at THill or Button Willow, the stock brakes will be destroyed by anyone but a rookie. And you know this too. Since it is still the same brakes with slightly more aggressive compound.

E36 M3, even the fake U.S. version, was not bad.

But when they added 200 pounds to the E46, we started having problems.

As far as P cars, as a former M3 driver and current GT3 driver, you must also know that M3's are so damn easy to drive well. You can do so many stupid things on the track and not get punished. This is very not so in the GT3. The P cars are simply harder to drive fast, that doesn't mean that they are slow. And that is one of the reasons why I made the switch, I wanted a challenge, and I got it with the P cars.

I never really thought the S4 and the C63 were the competiton. The real E36 M3 competed with the 993's, and did very well. It is a shame that the S50B32 never came here, or the E46 M3 probably would not have been as well received.

It is sad that the trend did not continue since then.

And pointing out the BMW is ripping people off with cobbled togehter brakes in a heavy car is not whining, it is merely stating the truth.

 

The pot calls the kettle what?

 

I'm merely laughing at a play on words that somebody else used in this thread so lighten up already.

I notice how you never responded to my prior post re: the Z06.

I find it comical how you come on here and other forums and ***** and **** and moan about certain things you don't like about certain cars. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Its that simple. Is your life that miserable that you constantly feel the need to **** and moan?

Most importantly, are you aware that only 5-10% of those that purchase an E92 M3 will track the car? The brakes work fine for everyday driving and some spirited jaunts in the twisties. For godsake, as good a track car (and thats about it) as the Z06 is, their owners ***** about brake fade ALL THE TIME when they track that car.

 

What about the Z06?

Is this not a car forum? I bet many here who have never been to the track don't even know that M3's have no brakes. I know if I was looking to get one for street and occasional tracking, I would like to know.

I don't associate my self worth with my car. If all I got tomorrow was an E30 to drive, it would be just fine too. This is why I find it so comical that people get so bent about anything negative about their car. When I had the E46 M3, P car prople told me my car had no brakes. I started tracking it, and realized that they were right. I was thinking about jumping ship, and Savage just expedited the process.

And do you think the percentage of people who track their P car is higher?

If anything, it is probably a hell of a lot lower, seeing how many tippy magic tronic cars are being sold.

But, even these tippy cars have better brakes than the sportiest offering from BMW. When a tippy cab that will never ever see the track with its dentist owner has brakes that actually will work in hot summer track days at Thill or Button Willow, it is just too funny. And lest you forget, BMW is heavily marketing the M3 as what was that last campaign? "Street legal, pretty much?"

I have not seen too many Z06's with brake issues at the track in the fast group. But I can tell you for sure that again, the BMW guys are always futzing with their brakes. And now, they slap another 200 pounds on it, it will only get worse.

 

Datax is 100% correct.....you don't get it.

I'll try and make this as elementary as possible for you: These cars are sold as "passenger vehicles" ...get it? They are not sold as "track cars" with roll cages (save for the GT3RS and if somebody buys one of those for anymore than 50% street use, then their IQ needs to be checked).

If you want a track car, buy one. The M3 is a passenger vehicle first and 90% of the people will use them 100% of the time for public road use. And 5-10% of their owners will use them 10-20% of the time on the track and those users will upgrade the brakes. There you have it.

 

So, why is it that a lowly Coxster where probably 99% of the people will use them 100% of the time for public road use has no problem with brakes on the track?

And even funnier, why does the 135 have better brakes than the M3?

No matter how you sugar coated, BMW is still ripping you off with the new M3. And as far as this four passenger argument, my E46 M3 had no sunroof, and let me tell ya, it is no 4 passenger car. And what do most M3's come with? Right, sunroof, yay, even less headroom.

4 passenger vehicle, right.

So, what exatly is the point of the CF roof on a 3600 pound car?

 

The term "passenger vehicle" is used for ANY car used on public roads beit 2DR, 4DR, SUV, etc.

The carbon fibre roof is a joke and looks like **** IMO.
The 135 looks like *** too. I'd get a G37 1000 times before I bought that thing.

 

I'm willing to be that number is closer to 1-2%...think about how many M3s you see on the streets...and think about how many you see on the track...

 

I don't doubt that a bit lax...I was just giving the benefit of the doubt due to the increase in HP in the E92m3.

 

because if the car didnt have all these lightweight features like a CF roof, it would actually weigh closer to 4000 lbs!

 

sorry, but that time for the e46 m3 IS an anomaly and will never be achieved again. ask, scott, divex, he knows all about it, and most do. only 60 yr old posers, not gonna mention names, from m3forum think the csl ran that fast.

 

*waits for the E92 M3 to achieve this...again*



Yup...I was just compounding Stuka's ignorance in understanding why BMW makes cars and how they markets them...

 

Haha, if he still has not gotten something that was mentioned on page 3 what makes you think page 6 will be any different

I mean, he does not consider the C63 and RS4 as the in class competition. Lost cause...

 

Any M3 is a fantastic daily beater and so are plenty of pcars. There's always something else to buy for 65k...its your $, do what you like with it. BMWNA priced it fairly IMO considering the dollar and they will surely sell a $hitload no matter what any of us thinks.

Go out and buy an ariel atom or lotus exige cup if you really want a hardcore streetable yet track oriented sports car, I know I would in a heartbeat