I think all parties should respect this thread

If you have something to say, there are places where you can say it without 3rd party involvement.

But in case anyone is wondering, I do question a 530rwhp, 3600lb car running that fast, and welcome anyone that can educate me on how that's possible so I can further my own knowledge. I just ask that we be respectful and it be somewhere other than this thread

 

You are 1000% right there on my friend... I tried in good faith to explain and reason with them but it is pointless... they live in their own world over there.....

Thanks Drew, car is pulling very strong and I guess I was a bit lucky that day as well as eveything worked 150% apparently..

I would not know what the actual horsepower of my car is as I have never put the car on the dyno (and never will - I do not care - my dyno is the road and the vbox) so I honestly do not know where he is getting the 530whp figure.... For all I know the car can easily be 550 or 570rwhp and I do have the gearbox and now finally the traction I needed to pull sub 7 times that is for sure... Thanks for chiming in man... appreciate it!

 

It's very easy to imagine because because many of us have endured the same thing. The best thing you can do is never visit the site again.

 

I have reservations because every other basic 600 kit has dyno'd 500-530 rwhp on a DJ dyno, pencilgeeks database confirms this. madsex claims no tuning or boost changes or weight reduction. that is what keeps it in the 530rwhp category, and 3600lb category. I see your point if I was going off of his own dyno, of various types. but in essence a basic 600 kit is putting out 6-6.5 psi, and that on 93 octane, or 94, on the S65 motor, without an aggressive tune, is making 500-530 hp. I appreciate your input, but realisticly 570-600 on a mustang is likely a high 650+ rwhp DJ car, and thats my point, that with 530rwhp, and 3600+ lbs, 6.1 is very, very sketchy. Im not the only one questioning it as well, Mr5 a moderator elsewhere was also questioning its validity due to incosistant shifting for DCT equipped car

So my question is if anyone can explain to me how one car can defy the laws of physics and run that time, in that setup, or at least show me another car that has done it. I dont think its asking too much.
again, something for a different thread, i will gladly discuss not in here.

Thanks, I try to sort through runs that I already know wont be accepted.
It takes some practice getting used to 60-130 runs. I hope you dont mind, your inbox will be filling up again here shortly

 

Here's a link showing all of the ESS VT2-600 results in MY Dyno Database. Assuming you know where to find the Dyno Database, here are the web link options that will show only these results:
http://.../DynoDB.php?dynoID=2&dynoCF=1&EngFIOpts=89

There are 13 ESS VT2-600 entries in the database (in SAE correction). They are as follows: 604, 580, 571, 559, 545, 533, 532, 527, 519, 518, 516, 511, 510whp.

The midpoint is 557whp, and the average is 540whp. I don't see a single 500whp entry, and 530whp is still 10whp lower than all of the results averaged together. Without a dyno, there's no way to say where Madsex343's results would be. But if the point were to quote the data in my dyno database for Lost Marine's arguments, then I don't think it was done very carefully or very accurately.

 

pencil geek, grow up and argue this on a BMW forum in which we can both respond. a 600 kit with smaller pulley and tune to match is no longer a basic 600 kit as madsex claims HIS is
Thanks

but to correct your own findings, again, if you take all (limit 1 highest per car) DJ SAE 600 kits on your site, and average them, avg is 540. if you eliminate those kits that are using 7+psi, the average drops to 528hp

If you take all STD DJ results, and average them you get 535hp
again, if you eliminate all 600 kits with 7+ psi, average is 524hp

lastly, if you take the 2 UNC 600 kit dyno's and avg them, you get 537hp

this is where my 500-530 hp claim comes from, as MOST are less than 530 and the average is only brought up higher by those 1 or 2 abnormally, and unbelievably high dynos..

 

Steve - you asked for my input on the other forum where i do not post.

put on a gintani kit, 100 shot and some wrinkle walls on ur car. bring it over here and try me again. we can do a mans race from a dig [again] or a girls race from a roll or both - i'll be a better sport this time.

thats my input.

-Mark

 

strong cars and weak minds i tell ya..

i asked for your input because you have FIRSTHAND knowledge of what a 600 kit car can do/ dyno's. And I know, that you know, that im not arbitrarily disputing something.

i dont see how my car has anything to do with any of this, your car is faster, as it should be. better sport? you mean now that you know you will win? Do you want a cookie,n/m i know the answer to that already..

 

i have first hand experience with a manual ESS car, i will be installing a DCT kit soon. DCT is whole another beast that destroys the manual in performance - but you knew that already. what i know is that you arbitrarily dispute anything that has to do with ESS, and that the the things you were saying to Mad on the other forum are belittling and inapporpriate which is why i won't post in that thread.

it doesnt - just for old time sake

yup - kinda like you thought the HPF car would win. except i actually know.
Isn't that the point of rolls? Even a weak mind like myself can figure it out.

i'll take a cookie - chocolate chip

 

DCT and manual differences are in the driver. ive seen it first hand, between me and 6spd equally modded car M3, it was driver error, ive seen me, vs well driven 5.0 mustang and there was no making up for the time due to dct. its propoganda by those that cant shift the cars

You can search all you want, i do not believe DCT holds a measurable difference, even as I drive one.

If you want to continue to debate that I have a thing aganst ESS, maybe you should ask those people im close to that own/use/sell ESS and ask them what ive always said about the kits? a select few are trying to portray me as a blatant ESS hater, and thats not the case, as anyone that cares to research can easily see

 

not in shorter 7spd in gearing that keeps you in better power band at all times?
not in shiftspeed umatched by humans?
not in the fact that you dont lose boost in between shifts with DCT?

Difference in stock or bolt on cars is smaller but still there, differece in performance is amplified with addition of SC kit. SC+DCT = CRACK for M3s and everyone knows that. How is it not a single manual SC car still beat my 1/4 mile record on the 6spd E92 M3 after over a year lol? And that was a terrible time, I am sure I can run an 11.50 in it now.

 

I can see how he cherry-picked the data from my database to get the results he wanted. So it's a good idea to branch the BMW stuff to a new thread to discuss that.

 

the hp loss to parasitic loss negates much of that shift speed advantage from dct, gearing is beneficial to manuals
youtube "stock 5.0 mustang gt Vs e92 dct m3"
you will see a properly driven manual not lose any ground to a dct

the m3 your buddy has did what a 530hp m3 can do, i know this because thats what dct 600k m3's do, youtube island 2012 by sthies1 you will see, and those are just a few

 

i just used your "sort" feature, by selecting only DJ data, only "ess 600 kit"
and basically showed you, from your own database, how incorrect you are, which i didnt expect given your affinity to "avg" everything, even though i showed you according to the supercharger developers that was incorrect..

thanks, i would appreciate that, I knew it would get out of hand and tried to respect this thread. I will gladly continue this in the proper section

 

Here you go, guys. Feel free to argue to your heart's content, but please keep it civil.

Thanks.