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Old 06-23-2007 | 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by lax01
I ask you to show me one simple thing...show me one professional road race team out there that is running a 1000whp racecar...go for it

And if you've ever seen the dyno curve on a Single Turbo 6 Clyinders, you'll realize that the throttle actually is an on/off switch which is exactly why people don't use them to road race...

You understand people put big turbo's for a reason, they can easily put a smaller one for less lag less power if they wanted to. The fact is they have more then you, they have gone through your setup (stock) and want more.
 
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I am loving this setup and may volunteer my car for them to do the 1st SMG.
 
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I am loving this setup and may volunteer my car for them to do the 1st SMG.
Decided not to sell Vincent? Thats the spirit!
 
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Decided not to sell Vincent? Thats the spirit!
I was gonna replace it w/ the 335 but this seems more interesting.
 
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Originally Posted by vincentdds
I was gonna replace it w/ the 335 but this seems more interesting.
I agree whole heartedly. I would be super curious to see the build as it progresses, if you decide to move forward. I know this is mainly a Porsche board, but please keep us informed if you decide to go F/I. Inquiring minds will want to know.
 
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Originally Posted by lax01
I ask you to show me one simple thing...show me one professional road race team out there that is running a 1000whp racecar...go for it

And if you've ever seen the dyno curve on a Single Turbo 6 Clyinders, you'll realize that the throttle actually is an on/off switch which is exactly why people don't use them to road race...
Is there a class where they are allowed to run such things? Ever think that could be a major reason why not.

How the power is delivered is far more important than worrying about absolute figures.

How about this, you take your 275hp car, I'll show up with a 1k rwhp street car and we'll hot lap some road courses. Since you're so confident in that little turd you'll have no problem throwing a couple $grr on the deal right?
 
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This is the same argument some other guys on forums are using against my car, that it is useless b/c of the power. What they dont understand is we had the same power as they did (so does everyone else) when we had the car before and we chose to make more power. I cant believe the excuses and arguments people can make up when they dont have something someone else has.
 
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where did I say my car was faster than a 1rwhp one? come on guys...
 
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Originally Posted by lax01
where did I say my car was faster than a 1rwhp one? come on guys...
No you said 1k rwhp cars are only good for straight line racing. So lets go head to head on a road course. If thats the case you'll have no problem kicking my *** right?
 
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So much hating in this world, where is the L-O-V-E??
 
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Originally Posted by vincentdds
I was gonna replace it w/ the 335 but this seems more interesting.

hey vince...couple of more days 'til july
 
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Originally Posted by SCM3
This is the same argument some other guys on forums are using against my car, that it is useless b/c of the power. What they dont understand is we had the same power as they did (so does everyone else) when we had the car before and we chose to make more power. I cant believe the excuses and arguments people can make up when they dont have something someone else has.
I don't need an excuse for not wanting an E46 with 1000hp or a TT with 1000hp or any car with 1000hp. It's not what I want, doesn't match my driving style and I not something I admire. Should I feel bad for that?
 
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Originally Posted by lax01
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Unfortunately, you're not very good at it. A couple things:

-You mention the tires having to be drag tires. I use them on my P-car, and my car would still outhandle your M3. Trust me on this, I've owned two M3's. Also, drag tires aren't requied. You can run r-compounds as well...which handle and stop better than any street tire on the planet. Plus, they can hook up some very serious power.

-You wanted to know which race teams are running 1,000 rwhp? 1,000 rwhp in a 3,300 lb M3 is a rear-wheel power to weight ratio of around .31. An 800 rwhp Formula 1 car, which only weighs around 1,181 lbs (minus the 150 lb driver)...has a rear-wheel power to weight ratio more than double that...at .67.

For an M3 to equal the rear-wheel power to weight of a F1 car, it would have to have 2,150 rwhp. So there you go. There's the professional race teams you asked for. Many of them, actually.



Different strokes for differeen folks. Don't knock something until you've tried it.
 
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Originally Posted by Divexxtreme
-You wanted to know which race teams are running 1,000 rwhp? 1,000 rwhp in a 3,300 lb M3 is a rear-wheel power to weight ratio of around .31. An 800 rwhp Formula 1 car, which only weighs around 1,181 lbs (minus the 150 lb driver)...has a rear-wheel power to weight ratio more than double that...at .67.

For an M3 to equal the rear-wheel power to weight of a F1 car, it would have to have 2,150 rwhp. So there you go. There's the professional race teams you asked for. Many of them, actually.
lol did you just compare an Turbo E46 M3 to a F1 car? lol
 
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Originally Posted by Divexxtreme
Unfortunately, you're not very good at it. A couple things:

-You mention the tires having to be drag tires. I use them on my P-car, and my car would still outhandle your M3. Trust me on this, I've owned two M3's. Also, drag tires aren't requied. You can run r-compounds as well...which handle and stop better than any street tire on the planet. Plus, they can hook up some very serious power.

-You wanted to know which race teams are running 1,000 rwhp? 1,000 rwhp in a 3,300 lb M3 is a rear-wheel power to weight ratio of around .31. An 800 rwhp Formula 1 car, which only weighs around 1,181 lbs (minus the 150 lb driver)...has a rear-wheel power to weight ratio more than double that...at .67.

For an M3 to equal the rear-wheel power to weight of a F1 car, it would have to have 2,150 rwhp. So there you go. There's the professional race teams you asked for. Many of them, actually.



Different strokes for differeen folks. Don't knock something until you've tried it.
3300 pounds are quite hard to control while putting down 1000hp with conventional vertical shocks and springs.

In an F1 car 80% of the mass of the car is within 30 inches from the ground right in the middle of the 4 wheels and controlled with pushrod suspensions... An m3 is about 58 inches tall, it's engine is in the front at the same height as the rotational centre of the wheels and at 1000hp it probably has about 3 times the torque of the F1 car to put down while suffering from weight transfer, worse wheelbase/track analogy...

Power/weight ratios say nothing about the roadcourse.
At the GP of Spain this year Massa took the pole position with 1:21.421
At the MotoGP of spain in the same track Rossi took the pole position with 1.41.840...

A Yamaha YZR-M1 makes about 250hp and weighs 150kg (without rider)
A F1 car makes about 900hp and weighs 600kg (without driver)

the ratios are: 1.66 for the bike and 1.5 for the F1 car yet the F1 car is 20 seconds faster...
 


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