Cayman R vs. S ?
#16
Will be driving both a 6-speed and PDK "R's" tomorrow. The sales guy said they have no "S" and they are harder to find IHO. Not sure about that but at least I'll find out if the Cayman is to my current taste. If it is, then I'll revisit the R vs. S question. Thanks for your feedback so far.
#17
That's the original one that caught my eye. There are several around the country. There have been many cars that have caught my eye via "online" shopping but then turned out not to be right for me for different reasons. I've never gone the true 2-seater route before and that would certainly limit my use, but probably 75% of the time I'm driving, I'm by myself...
#18
Will be driving both a 6-speed and PDK "R's" tomorrow. The sales guy said they have no "S" and they are harder to find IHO. Not sure about that but at least I'll find out if the Cayman is to my current taste. If it is, then I'll revisit the R vs. S question. Thanks for your feedback so far.
I went with the 6 speed gearbox. Love it!
#19
Will be driving both a 6-speed and PDK "R's" tomorrow. The sales guy said they have no "S" and they are harder to find IHO. Not sure about that but at least I'll find out if the Cayman is to my current taste. If it is, then I'll revisit the R vs. S question. Thanks for your feedback so far.
6 Speed R = Buy it!!!!!! any color as they all seem to look great
#20
Drove the Black PDK one and it was not love. Seats were a bit tight at the bolsters into the sides of my back. I'm not huge at 6 foot 180lbs. Cabin did feel "cramped" a bit in general. Super-stiff structure and chassis. You could tell it really deserves more HP/TQ than they are allowing it. Not too exciting unless driven in sport plus and manual mode, then it really comes alive. Seems like a better track car than street car for me. Really has to be driven hard to enjoy, and that's not my street style nor very possible in the relatively well-populated areas I frequent. I'd love to see a 400-ish HP and similar TQ version when they do new version of Boxster/Cayman in the coming year. For now I'll consider it a great car that suits its intended purpose but not mine.
#21
Drove the Black PDK one and it was not love. Seats were a bit tight at the bolsters into the sides of my back. I'm not huge at 6 foot 180lbs. Cabin did feel "cramped" a bit in general. Super-stiff structure and chassis. You could tell it really deserves more HP/TQ than they are allowing it. Not too exciting unless driven in sport plus and manual mode, then it really comes alive. Seems like a better track car than street car for me. Really has to be driven hard to enjoy, and that's not my street style nor very possible in the relatively well-populated areas I frequent. I'd love to see a 400-ish HP and similar TQ version when they do new version of Boxster/Cayman in the coming year. For now I'll consider it a great car that suits its intended purpose but not mine.
I also agree that the Cayman feels more cramped than the 911, though I don't really notice that when I'm driving fast and focused on technique and not crashing.
#24
I agree wholly on the Cayman R (especially) being more driver-focused and coming alive when driven hard. My buddy who came with, beat the **** out of it when we swapped seats. My test-drive was more how I would/could drive it on the street. I also agree that the 6speed manual, while maybe not ultimately faster, is the way to go if I were buying one and lap-time was not your #1 priority.
#25
The "R" would be my choice. It adds just enough suspension stiffness vs. the S which is what I am looking for. In fact, I am currently contemplating retrofitting the "R" springs/shocks to my '08 Cayman S.
#26
I've driven the R, S, and a variety of 997's including the GT3 as an instructor and racer. I owned a Cayman S for a couple years.
If you're looking for a daily driver that you can track occasionally, then I'd look seriously at the S. The R is certainly a better track car, but you're giving up a lot in terms of day-to-day usage, and the benefits on the track are relatively minor.
For someone who is just starting to run on the track:
If you want the best track car that you can drive on the street, get the R. Once you learn how to drive it, you'll run quicker than 95% of the GT3's on the track.
If you want the best street car that you can run on the track, get the S. Once you learn how to drive it, you'll still run quicker than 90% of the GT3's on the track.
If you're looking for a daily driver that you can track occasionally, then I'd look seriously at the S. The R is certainly a better track car, but you're giving up a lot in terms of day-to-day usage, and the benefits on the track are relatively minor.
For someone who is just starting to run on the track:
If you want the best track car that you can drive on the street, get the R. Once you learn how to drive it, you'll run quicker than 95% of the GT3's on the track.
If you want the best street car that you can run on the track, get the S. Once you learn how to drive it, you'll still run quicker than 90% of the GT3's on the track.
#27
I've driven the R, S, and a variety of 997's including the GT3 as an instructor and racer. I owned a Cayman S for a couple years.
If you're looking for a daily driver that you can track occasionally, then I'd look seriously at the S. The R is certainly a better track car, but you're giving up a lot in terms of day-to-day usage, and the benefits on the track are relatively minor.
For someone who is just starting to run on the track:
If you want the best track car that you can drive on the street, get the R. Once you learn how to drive it, you'll run quicker than 95% of the GT3's on the track.
If you want the best street car that you can run on the track, get the S. Once you learn how to drive it, you'll still run quicker than 90% of the GT3's on the track.
If you're looking for a daily driver that you can track occasionally, then I'd look seriously at the S. The R is certainly a better track car, but you're giving up a lot in terms of day-to-day usage, and the benefits on the track are relatively minor.
For someone who is just starting to run on the track:
If you want the best track car that you can drive on the street, get the R. Once you learn how to drive it, you'll run quicker than 95% of the GT3's on the track.
If you want the best street car that you can run on the track, get the S. Once you learn how to drive it, you'll still run quicker than 90% of the GT3's on the track.
Out of curiosity, what do you think the R gives up for street use compared to the S (assuming the R has the radio, AC, and regular seats added back)?
#29
That's my feeling, which is why I asked. I find the R entirely suitable as a DD.