Should I be worried about purchasing an 05 Cayenne turbo that's been flashed?
#1
Should I be worried about purchasing an 05 Cayenne turbo that's been flashed?
It only has 25,000 miles but it's out of warranty.
The car looks clean in person, has a clean carfax, and I would take it for a PPI before I make any final decisions.
That being said, it's been flashed. If the vehicle did pass the PPI, would it be easier on the car from that point on to "unflash" the ecu or has the "damage" already been done?
I know a lot of you guys roll around with flashed cars all day long with no problems, but I have heard some horror stories. Im just looking for a comfortable 2nd car to compliment the 911 turbo. I don't need the Cayenne to be flashed or to have more problems than neccessary.
I was hoping to hear from experience, opinions welcome.
The car looks clean in person, has a clean carfax, and I would take it for a PPI before I make any final decisions.
That being said, it's been flashed. If the vehicle did pass the PPI, would it be easier on the car from that point on to "unflash" the ecu or has the "damage" already been done?
I know a lot of you guys roll around with flashed cars all day long with no problems, but I have heard some horror stories. Im just looking for a comfortable 2nd car to compliment the 911 turbo. I don't need the Cayenne to be flashed or to have more problems than neccessary.
I was hoping to hear from experience, opinions welcome.
#2
any porsche dealer or independant specialist can return the ECU back to " normal" for you, as its only a written program, but you might find its a " plug and play" type of "chip" if so just unplug it...job done.
to be honist most flashes (generic re-maps) are safe and i wouldnt worry, they can (in my case) drasticly improve the MPG.
so you might be undoing some good work, live with it for a while, and then see how she is, you always have the option of putting back to normal whenever you wish, with no "damage or issues"
good luck.
to be honist most flashes (generic re-maps) are safe and i wouldnt worry, they can (in my case) drasticly improve the MPG.
so you might be undoing some good work, live with it for a while, and then see how she is, you always have the option of putting back to normal whenever you wish, with no "damage or issues"
good luck.
#4
I have a CTT 04, bought it 3 years ago with 28k miles, put a Fabspeed chip and love it, I also have the 996TT 04 cab., its hard to go from the 996tt to the ctt, the chip makes it alot more fun, practical and there only when you really need or want it. the CTT has just over 78k miles and other than normal wear and tear I haven't had any problems what so ever, and I do drive it hard. I love both, and would do it all over again.
#6
haha I was waiting for this...
the flash is a DTE flash, and it's lowered using the rinspeed lowering module. Does anyone have any experience with these products?
the flash is a DTE flash, and it's lowered using the rinspeed lowering module. Does anyone have any experience with these products?
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It only has 25,000 miles but it's out of warranty.
The car looks clean in person, has a clean carfax, and I would take it for a PPI before I make any final decisions.
That being said, it's been flashed. If the vehicle did pass the PPI, would it be easier on the car from that point on to "unflash" the ecu or has the "damage" already been done?
I know a lot of you guys roll around with flashed cars all day long with no problems, but I have heard some horror stories. Im just looking for a comfortable 2nd car to compliment the 911 turbo. I don't need the Cayenne to be flashed or to have more problems than neccessary.
I was hoping to hear from experience, opinions welcome.
The car looks clean in person, has a clean carfax, and I would take it for a PPI before I make any final decisions.
That being said, it's been flashed. If the vehicle did pass the PPI, would it be easier on the car from that point on to "unflash" the ecu or has the "damage" already been done?
I know a lot of you guys roll around with flashed cars all day long with no problems, but I have heard some horror stories. Im just looking for a comfortable 2nd car to compliment the 911 turbo. I don't need the Cayenne to be flashed or to have more problems than neccessary.
I was hoping to hear from experience, opinions welcome.
-chris
#11
just remember when you flash the ecu and bring it in to the dealer for service (which im pretty sure the previous owner did) porsche records the ecu info and directly sends it in to (hq, or the main office or something) and they see if the ecu has any changes. if so, anything thats related to that issue (ecu) and something happens; your warranty will be voided. if its a plug and play, then the dealers really wont hassel you, if they do, just unplug and it should be fine. verified from my local dealer. hope this helps.
-chris
-chris
he said the data would not be read unl;ess they were specifically looking for it under the EMS (or similar) he said nothing except service data is recorded.
i also asked at paragon (major independant porsche service centre) and they said its almost impossible to detect a "flashed ecu" and that porsche do not hold details of every ecu, that would be a logistical nightmare.
as every ecu is self learning they all hold different data.
i doubt its different in the States.
kind regards
david.
#12
chris, i asked a friend of mine (mark) who is the service manager at guildford porsche (OPC) in surrey and he has never heard of this?
he said the data would not be read unl;ess they were specifically looking for it under the EMS (or similar) he said nothing except service data is recorded.
i also asked at paragon (major independant porsche service centre) and they said its almost impossible to detect a "flashed ecu" and that porsche do not hold details of every ecu, that would be a logistical nightmare.
as every ecu is self learning they all hold different data.
i doubt its different in the States.
kind regards
david.
he said the data would not be read unl;ess they were specifically looking for it under the EMS (or similar) he said nothing except service data is recorded.
i also asked at paragon (major independant porsche service centre) and they said its almost impossible to detect a "flashed ecu" and that porsche do not hold details of every ecu, that would be a logistical nightmare.
as every ecu is self learning they all hold different data.
i doubt its different in the States.
kind regards
david.
i could defintly go into alot of detail about this subject due to the fact that i spoke with my service manager here in the states for about an hr about getting an ecu upgrade when i was getting my gts serviced but i dont have the time. all im trying to say is that people should check with thier dealer before jumping the gun to flash the ecu. if your local dealer says it will void your warranty, putting aside your relationship with them, the probabilty would be that they will void your warranty. so why risk it? and i guess it does differ from dealer to dealer or they are yanking my chain.
-chris
Last edited by christx997; 08-24-2009 at 10:34 AM.
#13
david,
i could defintly go into alot of detail about this subject due to the fact that i spoke with my service manager here in the states for about an hr about getting an ecu upgrade when i was getting my gts serviced but i dont have time. all im trying to say is that people should check with thier dealer before jumping the gun to flash the ecu. if your local dealer says it will void your warranty, putting aside your relationship with them, the probabilty would be that they will void your warranty. so why risk it? and i guess it does differ from dealer to dealer. as for the logistic nightmare you mentioned, isnt all the data recording and ecu info done electronically?
-chris
i could defintly go into alot of detail about this subject due to the fact that i spoke with my service manager here in the states for about an hr about getting an ecu upgrade when i was getting my gts serviced but i dont have time. all im trying to say is that people should check with thier dealer before jumping the gun to flash the ecu. if your local dealer says it will void your warranty, putting aside your relationship with them, the probabilty would be that they will void your warranty. so why risk it? and i guess it does differ from dealer to dealer. as for the logistic nightmare you mentioned, isnt all the data recording and ecu info done electronically?
-chris
Porsche cannot prove if a map has been altered.
#14
-chris
im not saying that im right, just going with the info on hand, and trying to figure out if an ecu upgrade is worth it.