Ok lets hear it Mr. Cole how?




AGAIN how?, you are not willing to pay for anyone's parts, how are you going to do it, exact's please!

BRO, I dont care what color you got, read the statement again, I did not state YOU could not get the color YOU wanted. P.S. good for u
P-Parts are never cheap, you bought the wrong project car, wake up already. Oh so everyone that buys a NEW porsche is NOT a REAL enthisiast? interesting. I though they were as well just in a higher tax bracket then you or me?


What parts are LITTLE QUIRKS? please be specific, control arms are going to make your CTT a CTTS right?, you hand a list around $7000 in parts and still you made no head way, AGAIN most people would have to pay labor, so for $10k more thay have an OPTION to get a CTTS if they wish. Not to meantion how many cars are taken apart and never the same after. I know you are going to tell me NOT YOU, master builder of boosted cars.

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But you wont buy the parts they put into those cars, so whats your point? your pointing out cars that people spent money to get them where they are?

So is that exact picture of your motor or someone elses that you used, because it is like your? As that is a professional picture, which I have seen elsewhere, and not YOUR motor. You didnt take a picture of yours because it may not have been as pretty looking; because that would have cost money.

Skill have nothing to do with a CTT, it is money clearly because you keep meantioning you would never buy anyone else parts. Wait i got it your going to wait for someones modified CTT OR CTTS to get hit by a train so you can buy it real cheap for its parts right keep waiting, I will be enjoy my ride in the meantime.

Your silly thought



Thats because you wont be doing much, you just dont no that yet. P.S. good tires cost money, you need to get a set offen with a CTT. Or you just dont drive them you just build cars

I did not buy any power kits and dont have money to throw around. I bought mine and very happy with it (I know good for me), let me know when your done with yours, as I am busy actually driving mine around; not in a garage in a million piece. In life, time is money, your busy nickel and diming to trying to achieve something that can easily be bought and done by professionals and enjoyed. By no means, it sounds like you enjoy this as a hobbie and thats great. But you choose the wrong car to try to make wonders with. If you want better than 5 seconds pulling 6700lbs you need MONEY bro! not just a control arm and intercooler.

You knock down kits made by companies that actually spend alot of R&D, equipment, etc.. and think you can buy a few parts and do better, not with this car. You will shortly see that. People buy the kits AND pay the labor to get them in, it sounds like you can supposedly do all the labor yourself and won’t spend the money on the kits, as they are making a profit, your statements are getting ridiculous. What are you going to do take hvac pipes weld them into a turbo of your own, no maybe swap the whole motor out you made yourself that is cheaper that porsche's, but has more HP... no one cares for this. Go buy a "S" badge and stick it to the right of the "turbo" badge, you got yourself a CTTS cheap!!!

You are pointing out cars that are more money than a CTTS but YOU would not buy or are willing to pay the cost of the parts in them so your not making any point here at all...

Show me the parts you swapped out and the number you got and we will see were you get, dont forget to include every day your car could not be used, if you wanted to use it or not. And then get back to me.

So hopefully to end this post, yes the bushing are different between the CTT & CTTS, upgrade if you wish. AS you said same price, so no brainer i guess.

 

Dude. You really ned to work on your reading comprehension. Where did I ever say I was not willing to pay for parts?

Paying for a $25,000 kit is just plain silly. Especially when I can achieve a nice upgrade for a fraction of that cost.

The only thing holding the CTT back from CTTS like numbers is the intercoolers and software. That is easy enough to change and much cheaper than a CTTS.



Just because they are not cheap does not mean you should spend just for the sake of spending, no matter what your tax bracket. Being able to afford the parts is different than not finding value in the price. I don't see the value in wasting money....and I enjoy the process of building the car and not simply buying it done.


What the hell are you spouting now? Not made any progress? Built wrong? What? Just because a company has a shop name does not make them instantly better at building a car than an individual.

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Yes. That is MY motor in MY S4. We built the motor for a tech day at 3Zero3 Motorsports in Wheatridge, Colorado. Adam Matavi is the photographer that took the pictures so that 3Zero3 could use them in promotional items.











Have several sets of nice tires for both the CTT and the 951. Along with some very nice forged 3 piece OZ wheels.

I have also taught performance driving for several sanctioning bodies since 1992. Are you old enough to drive yet?



Blah blah blah can't read, missed the point, acting like a troll.

 

FWIW,

Here is my torn "Turbo/S/Cayenne" arm that came out of my CTT and the "Turbo S" arm that went in.

I know it looks like the offset of the hole is different, but I measured them with calipers and the hole is in the exact same spot. Just different rubber and obviously a differnt center steel bushing.

These are the exact same price as all the other arms.

 

Cole, got a few questions for you since your changing the control arm/bushing and do appreciate your opinion.

Why do you think there is an offset on the standard bushing and not on the Turbo S?

Does the Turbo S bushing fit exactly as the original on your car?

Is the mounting washer for the bushing offset as well?

Did you use the offset washer on the Turbo S control arm install?
If so how does it sit on the new Turbo S bushing when installed?

 

I have been pondering this and honestly don't know at this point. seems like it *Could* allow more flex in one side of the rubber part of the bushing for a softer ride?!? While still having enough material to mount firmly in the bracket.

I've been heavily into modified suspensions for years and have a few suspension engineer friends that I had planned on asking at some point. Maybe I will see if I can get a hold of one today and come up with an answer.




Yep. Bolted right in. Zero modifications to the set up.


There is no "Washer". The frame side of the control arms mount with "Cam Bolts" so that you can adjust the camber. I marked the cam bolts with a Sharpie before I took off the arms so that I could set them back to their aligned spot. I also measured the camber before and after.

I know the hole in the Turbo S arm looks offset but is actually in the exact same spot as the Turbo/S/C arms. I measured it with some calipers.

So here you can see the Sharpie mark on the cam bolt. The "washer" looking piece is actually part of the bolt on one side and indexed to the bolt on the other.






If you look at the frame mounts you can see that the holes are slotted to allow the camber to adjust.





You can also see in the picture above how easy the job was. Took off one wheel at a time. Jacked it up, unbolted 4 bolts(after marking the cam positions with Sharpie) and then just bolt in the new arms and tighten with the marks lined up.

You can see that the arms are identical, just the bushings are different.






The ride quality seems great. No noticeable difference from the other arms. They are tight and responsive but honestly my other ones were so shot that its hard to give a fair comparison. I'm hoping these prove to be long lasting and provide good performance.

 

Great info and pix Cole.
You mention that there is no washer for the Cam bolts.
Did you use any washer on the other side of the Cam bolt between the nut and frame?

I just checked the PET manual and it shows that there are 2 "eccentric washers" that are used on the other side of the bushings where they fit onto the frame.

The part numbers are 955 331 219 00.

There does not seem to be any differentiation on these washers between standard and Turbo S type.

If they are suppose to be fitted, I am wondering if you can install an eccentric bolt on a non offset bushing with an eccentric washer?

 

There is one on both ends of the cam bolt. So you are correct. That is the right part for all applications.

Since cam bolts don't work without those eccentric washes I consider those part of the cam bolt assembly. There are no "other" washes.

 

Holly thread degradation! What started as a nice informative thread became a full on bunched up panties whine fest from someone who missed the point, from the beginning.

To me, and many people, it's the experience of creating something in life that is important, not the object/machine/house/etc, you can buy and use.

It pays to ponder, for just a moment, where all the cool photos on the web these days come from in the first place....hmmmm,... well, some guy, maybe in your neighborhood took the photo, or maybe a gal even. It's not even all that hard to do for a good photog, cleaning the engine is the most work and even that is simply, work, nothing magical.

Those guys as 3zero3 are top notch. I have talked at length with Max about either building up an Allroad or altering our b7 s4 avant to become the only b7 s4/allroad but the cost/purpose comparison didn't make sense due to the platform differences in the suspension area.

Thus, I am leaning toward the more capable Touareg/Cayenne lines. VW primarily for tdi/mpg/veggie oil and fuel range with less "image" or the CTT just for plain grin factor.

Along the lines of CTT vs CTTS vs ?, my research is narrowing my search to Cayenne's built with the disconnecting sway bars and the locking rear differential.

$80k+ is s lot of $ for a "toy" so it's hard to consider a 2010 Transsyberia but the older CTT look like a great starting point.

To the OP, props for having so much fun in the process. You, and many of us, know that it isn't simply about buying a vehicle with all the stuff even if it were available, the great experience in the process is potentially priceless.

 

Thanks. Great post.