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Old 10-28-2010 | 06:57 AM
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Driving with PSM off

Does it hurt anything driving with the PSM in the off position all the time? Wondering if anyone else drives this way. Great way to burn lots of gas but don't want to do any long term damage
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I used to drive with traction off on my C230 and E46 M3 ( both manual trans.) to keep me smiling ofcourse No long term damage, just sheer fun
 
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i run mine around town that way, on the highway turn it on
 
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What exactly would be the point?

(it will start in first if you push down to the kick down switch, even if you then ease up)
 
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Old 10-28-2010 | 11:00 AM
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Cole, hate to sound stupid but what is the kick down switch? Oustide of using the tip mode, the regular automatic does not seem to respond to throttle application as quickly as PSM off. Automatic also doesn't tend to go up the tach as it shifts earlier than PSM off.
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Driving with the psm OFF makes my gts drive like a different animal without question. It's worth it off withou question. It will NoT harm long term driving with it off.
 
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Old 10-28-2010 | 11:32 AM
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It starts in first regardless of whether you hit the foot switch or not (the button located under your throttle pedal.

Turning off PSM completely remaps the throttle response and shifting for a total "Sport Mode" experience.

It will give you for FREE, what all these people are shelling out $300-$1000 for Sprintboosters and chipping. Plus you can turn it off whenever you want.

Hurt the car? Seriously? It's a friggin Porsche. It's meant to be driven hard. Sure you will put a little more wear and tear on the tires and brakes, as well as decrease your MPG, but its' worth every penny (at least in my V8 it is).

Drive the **** out of it and have fun!
 
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PSM OFF, Sport Mode ON = a great commute
 
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From the owners manual.

Page 175
PSM
Porsche Stability Management:

– Stability management system
– Anti-lock brake system (ABS)
– Brake system prefilling
– Brake booster
– Traction control system (TCS)
– Automatic brake differential (ABD)
– Engine drag torque control (MSR)
Page 177
Porsche Stability Management (PSM)
PSM is an active control system for stabilization of
the vehicle during extreme driving maneuvers. It
operates together with the Porsche Traction
Management (PTM) system.
PSM makes use of both the ABD and TCS
systems, as well as the known functions of the
anti-lock brake system (ABS) and engine drag
torque control system (MSR).


Warning!
In spite of the advantages of PSM, it is still the
driver’s responsibility to adapt her/his driving style
and maneuvers in line with road and weather
conditions, as well as the traffic situation.
The increased safety that is provided should not
induce you to take greater risks with your safety.
The limits set by the physics of driving cannot be
overcome, even with PSM.
Risks of accident due to inappropriate speed
cannot be reduced by PSM.



Advantages of PSM
– Best possible traction and lane-holding ability
in all driving situations – even on road surfaces
with varying friction.
– The system compensates for undesired
vehicle reactions (load-alteration effect) when
the driver releases the accelerator pedal or
brakes on bends. This compensation functions
up to the maximum lateral acceleration.
– PSM actively stabilizes the vehicle as required
during dynamic driving maneuvers (e.g. rapid
steering movements, during lane changes or
on alternating bends).
– Improved braking stability on corners and on
different or varying road surfaces.
– Improved brake functioning and reduced
stopping distance in the event of emergency
braking.
Readiness for operation
PSM is switched on automatically every time you
start the engine.


Function
Sensors at the wheels, brakes, steering system
and engine continuously measure:
– Driving speed
– Direction of travel (steering angle)
– Lateral acceleration
– Longitudinal acceleration
– Rate of turn about the vertical axis
PSM uses these values to determine the direction
of travel desired by the driver.
PSM intervenes and corrects the course if the
actual direction of motion deviates from the
desired course (steering-wheel position):
It brakes individual wheels as needed. If necessary,
PSM additionally influences the engine power
or the gear-changing characteristic of the
Tiptronic in order to stabilize the vehicle.
Page 178
The events below inform the driver of PSM control
operations and warn him to adapt her/his driving
style to the road conditions:
– The multi-functional information light in the
instrument panel lights up.
– Light in the PSM Off button flashes.
– Hydraulic noises can be heard.
– The vehicle decelerates and steering-wheel
forces are altered as the PSM controls the
brakes.
– Reduced engine power.
– The brake pedal pulsates and its position is
changed during braking.
In order to achieve full vehicle deceleration,
foot pressure must be increased after beginning
of the brake pedal pulsing.
Examples of PSM control operations
– If the front wheels of the vehicle drift on a
corner, engine power is reduced and the rear
wheel on the inside of the corner is braked if
necessary.
– If the rear of the vehicle swings out on a
corner, the front wheel on the outside of the
corner is braked.
– Brake system prefilling:
The brake system is prepared for possible
subsequent emergency braking if the accelerator
pedal is released suddenly and quickly.
The brake system is prefilled and the brake
pads are already applied gently to the brake
discs.
– Brake booster:
In the event of an emergency braking operation
where the pedal force is insufficient, a brake
booster provides the braking pressure necessary
for maximum deceleration at all 4 wheels.
Combined use of PSM and PTM/PTM Plus
In order to ensure optimal stabilization of the
vehicle, the center differential lock (PTM) and
possibly the rear differential lock (PTM Plus) are
also opened when PSM interventions occur.
Tip on driving
When PSM is switched off, wheel-specific brake
interventions and the traction control system
(TCS) are also inactive.
The automatic brake differential (ABD) remains on.
Page 179

Switching off PSM
f Press PSM OFF button A.
PSM is switched off after a short delay.
The light-emitting diode in the button is lit up.
When the PSM is switched off, the multifunctional
PSM light on the instrument panel is
lit and a message appears in the multipurpose
display of the instrument panel.
During braking, the vehicle is stabilized even
when PSM is switched off.
One-sided spinning of the wheels is prevented,
even with PSM switched off.
PSM should always be switched on during
“normal” driving.
However, it can be of advantage to switch off PSM
temporarily in exceptional situations:
– On a loose surface or in deep snow
– When “rocking the vehicle free”
– When using snow chains.
When the PSM is switched off the slip monitoring
function is also deactivated.
 
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Gee, I guess I should drive with it off in snow but I really hesitate. PSM has saved me many times.
 
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It only says for DEEP snow. Probably where you need wheel spin to keep moving and speeds are below 5-15mph.
 
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Old 10-29-2010 | 06:01 AM
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I don't see any mention of " remapping the throttle" or in any way increasing throttle " responsse" or sportiness. Turning it off just means it won't get in your way when you cross the boundaries.

Aggressive sloppy choppy driving is not "fast". Might feel cool, but not the fast way around a corner.
 
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Old 10-29-2010 | 11:29 AM
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In my winter driving there are often corners that are best navigated with a slight slide. I wish that the program was set not to intervene so quickly but then it has saved my *** a few times.

I don't believe there is any throttle re-mapping on the Cayennes like there is on 911 & 987.
 
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Old 10-29-2010 | 11:36 AM
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In my winter driving there are often corners that are best navigated with a slight slide. I wish that the program was set not to intervene so quickly but then it has saved my *** a few times.

Here is my quick disclaimer. I have taught winter driving and "Ice Raced" here in Colorado for about 17 years.

I have found that if you have the correct angle on the steering, systems like PSM will actaully stay off.

I practiced drifting on a frozen lake here in Colorado in several PSM and similar set ups last winter. If you have all the dynamics *right* to control the slide there is nothing the system can do so it stays dormant. But as soon as you cross the line, it steps in quick.
 
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I must be doing something wrong yet I grew up duriving on ice & snow and I am well used to drifting in control. My CT has often stopped me rudely midst an intended slide. I know my skills are not all that good but I want to slide as it gets me around the corner quicker--to avoid other cars not for speed.
 


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